From dbd@martha.utcc.utk.edu Wed Jan 19 06:07:31 1994 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.usenet.kooks From: dbd@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney) Subject: Re: the net.legends draft FAQ (5/6) Organization: U. Tenn. Knoxville/Physics Dept. Date: Sun, 9 Jan 1994 20:44:54 GMT Roy Radow: Passionate defender of NAMBLA on several of the gay-oriented newsgroups. Not really *that* much of a loon - just believes there should be no minimum age of consent for sexual relations, and has NAMBLA in his .sig. May kiboze for NAMBLA. Posts as roy@panix.com (Roy Radow). STella (bisexual leatherdyke pagan): alt.sex.* denizen. Mistress of the sarcastic flame. Helped found alt.sex.bondage; hangs out there. A mini-FAQ is available (for the non-maturity-challenged only). Not a loon - just has a distinctively.. ah.. unrestrained posting style. Has been referenced (along with kibo) in at least one guide to the Internet. Posts as STella@thelema.uucp (now sadly defunct) and STella@netcom.com (STella). Elf! Sternberg: Seemingly omnipresent in any group having anything remotely to do with sex or sexual orientation (recently sighted on rec.pets.herp, even). Try alt.sex.wizards, alt.sex, or alt.sex.motss; gives very good advice. Posts >from elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg). Gharlane of Eddore: Semi-master flamer. Notable chiefly for his unbreakable habit of setting followups to alt.dev.null, apparently in the belief that noone else's words deserve to follow his. Can be seen on rec.arts.sf.written and alt.flame. Posts as gharlane@nextnet.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore). Ted Altar: >From rec.food.veg. Has been semi-single-handedly responsible for prolonging the discussion on whether or not to split r.f.v, and if so how, in news.groups, past all humanly bearable length. Posts as taltar@beaufort.sfu.ca (Ted Altar). John Stanley: Currently (12/93) waging single-handed a flamewar in news.groups on what the meaning, if any, of ABSTAIN in a UseNet vote is/should be/must be. Notable in this only because he is apparently alone on his side. On the other hand, is also conducting a well-done offense against Dick Depew (q.v.), pointing out repeatedly that his (Dick's) ARMM proposals are nothing more nor less than censorship. Posts as stanley@skyking.oce.orst.edu (John Stanley). Tim Pierce and Joel Furr: Not loons, exactly - Tim was the sysadmin at Amherst and moderates rec.arts.erotica; just very very cynical (Tim) and very very optimistic (Joel). Found on alt.config (Tim ambushing alt.*-group proposers and Joel proposing new alt.* groups at a great rate [and newgrouping them almost as fast]) and soc.motss, rec.arts.erotica (Tim), and alt.folklore.urban and alt.fan.lemurs (Joel). A miniFAQ on Tim, by Joel, is available. More fun to watch than Abbott and Costello. Joel "flamed a proposed rmgrouping of alt.folklore.computers to ashes in late 1992". Post as twpierce@unix.amherst.edu (Tim Pierce) and jfurr@char.vnet.net (Joel Furr). There is no truth to the rumor that "Furrfu!" refers to Joel. Uncle Fester: Father-figure to alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.d . Helps rein in the flames on occasion; poster of the Official Assholes of a.b.p.e List (simply a listing of those who have posted non-binary stuff to the binary group in the last period of time in a format designed to get their attention - he's first on every list, of course, because the List has to go on a.b.p.e to be effective). Real name: Tim Hester. Posts as thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester). Has been lying low lately. Brad Templeton: A Clarinet employee who apparently thinks of UseNet as a Clarinet extension. A net.police (q.v.) wannabe. Currently engaged in per^H^Hrosecution via news.admin.* of the binary erotica groups for massive copyright violations; thinks it's every UseNetizen's duty to a) admonish the poster of each and every copyright-violating post and b) notify the magazine it's taken from... may have been exposed to Clarinet's policy meetings for a bit too long. Is *also* a fervent supporter of free speech on UseNet. Posts as brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton). Don Black: Contrib. posts: >Someone nobody's mentioned is Don Black, who believed that Jews are >literally descended from the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. -- He was living in Alabama in the mid to late 80's. My girlfriend did a telephone interview with him for a social studies project. -- He used to be on Prodigy, too. I think he was big in the Louisiana KKK. Daniel "And he worked in the David Duke campaign" Case Rikiya Asano (All Americans are violent racists!): Contrib. posts: I'd like to nominate Rikiya Asano, who posts on talk.politics.guns, soc.culture.japan, et al: "All Americans are violent racists!" There is much speculation that R.A. is a phony, i.e., not Japanese but just pretending to be by using broken English, references to 'Nippon', etc., but the jury is still out. Talk.politics.guns attracts a lot of live wires, especially those who believe that Clinton is a [leftist, socialist, Marxist, Communist, Nazi, traitor] and is itching to turn the U.S. into a Marxist state. Anyone playing "Spot the Net.Loony" should check it out, but be aware that a little t.p.g. goes a long way. -- Also posts to soc.culture.asian.american too, about how he's such catnip to the ladies. This came in especially useful during the flame war on alt.config about alt.sex.fetish.oriental and its proposed successor, alt.appreciation.asian. Rikiya there went into great detail about his own sex life and masturbatory habits-I was quite surprised. Many people think he's a poseur, though. But do these people post to other newsgroups, too? It hardly surprises anyone that talk.politics.guns attracts a high degree of loons. -- "You so funny" - Rikiya Asano, chartered net kook Andrew Wiles (My proof is unfortunately far too large for this newsgroup): Contrib. post: I would like to nominate as a quintessential non-net non-loon: Andrew Wiles. (Marilyn [vos Savant], if you're out there, shaddup.) Over in sci.math, one of Wiles's graduate students has had his email response to a fan, answering some of the fan's questions, posted by the fan. Here are three relevant extracts: >First of all, I should let you know that he almost never reads his email, >and does not read newsgroups at all. The only reason he posted >to sci.math was because he felt he had to make some sort of >announcement in light of all the recent rumors, and someone on >the faculty helped to show him how to post to a newsgroup. ... >Since Prof. Wiles has not even been keeping up with all the rumors >surrounding the status of his proof (when I asked him about a few of >them, he said that he had not heard of them at all!), instead spending >his time on the proof itself, I don't think he has paid much attention >to what Marilyn has to say. ... >I suspect he probably doesn't even know who Ludwig Plutonium is! :) I suspect he probably doesn't even know who I am, either, even though we were once co-guests-of-honor at a party a friend of mine threw.... "Turmoil" (Nazis!): short-lived news.groups loon - had a small flamewar there. >From Dan "If it matters" Case: I should also, spekaing of t.p.g, nominate "Turmoil" as a net.loon (Fuck Tha Police), although I'm not sure that he makes the age minimum. N.O. Monaghan: Contrib. post: Another one who occurred to me-N.O. Monaghan, seen in many of the same groups as Jack Schmidling was, and a great fan of Fascism, the medieval Catholic Church, and the British National Party. John De Armond (I cheer every time a pig is killed): Contrib. post: In that vein, I think John "I cheer every time a pig is killed" De Armond would have to get some recognition, especially since he posts to alt.law.enforcement. AJ Teel (Sui Juris): Contrib. posts: While we're at it: don't forget AJ Teel ("Sui Juris"), who is convinced (and wants to convince all of us -- over and over again) that the Uniform Commercial Code (section 1-207, to be precise) will get you out of ANY traffic ticket. -- Is that the same guy who also posts to alt.conspiracy and alt.activism about how a) you can avoid paying income tax by simply not sending in a return, and b) how juries have the power to simply refuse to convict the person despite overwhelming evidence of guilt as a form of civil disobedience? And other legal gimmicks-although I think he stopped with the jury nullification thing because he (or some respondent) crossposted to misc.legal and someone there dug up laws from several states that state law says that juries are *required* to convict guilty people? BJGW: Contrib. post: Oh, my-how could I forget AFU's own personal contribtion to the Loon list-BGJW, the quintessential McGill poster, who nevertheless managed to turn AFU into a BOT-war ravaged, large-killfile, bandwidth-wasting newscape for several weeks. I don't think any loon has achieved more indirect success and made so many people act so ridiculously than he has-not even Serdar and Robert McE. Dan "and all because of a simple, stupid little programming error-but that's a long story" Case -- But like Phil said about B1FF, BGJW is most likely a troller. You're right about the end results, however. Here's a note I got from 'BGJW' himself: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 93 17:14:54 EDT From: "E. K. Yersh" Subject: RE: Re: Hi Everybody! In article <27tsk6$4e8@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> catstyle@gofish.aiss.uiuc.edu >In article v140pxgt@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu >>In article <23SEP93.19288004.0136@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, >>>Hi Everybody! >>Or do I have to throw it out because it's from McGill? >I'm almost 100% convinced that McGill is the creation of a really old hat, >there's no other way to get this consistent throughput of stupidity from >one site for so long... >ObULSpreaderoftheDay: Lewis Grizzard. He may be funny as hell some of the >time, but he tells many. many ULs as true stories. >-- >Jason R. Heimbaugh (CatStyle) jrh@uiuc.edu >Two (unnamed) people on campus debugging telnetd code: >"Oh, I'm missing a colon." >"So is my aunt." Jason, listen up. I'll let you in on a theory of mine. My theory is that all these clueless messages are written by the same guy. I think that there's really only one guy at McGill who posts on AFU. What I think he does is that when he discovers terminals which students have used but not logged off from he posts a message from their account and purposely makes the content idiotic thereby feeding the impression that McGill is an institution for boneheads. He likely gets a kick from the reactions to the messages and from knowing that he's been able to decieve even that higher strain of humanity that is active on AFU. Your Pal: BGJW stx1606 (Come on, I can't HEEEEEEAR you!): Of alt.sex.bondage, talk.religion.misc, and alt.binaries.pictures.erotica; went from group to group trying to fan flames. Asked for non-consentual rape stories on alt.sex.bondage and then started to use the rape stories as proof that ASBer were not tough on Rape. He tried to get talk.religion.misc people involved in the fight. No one took the bait... He then proceeded to revive the "let's get the queer pictures off a.b.p.e by splitting it" flamewar for about two weeks. Quote: "I have been washed in the blood of the lamb and that stain will never come off!" Unable to recognize satire at .23 milimeters. Unable to buy a clue, unwilling to rent to own. Seems to have decomposed. Posted as stx1606@anon.penet.fi . hshen; hollystone s. (An artificial (dis)intelligence project): Contrib. post: One more is a person who posts vindictive and semi-coherent articles in some sci.* groups -- I've seen him/her most often in sci.math. The name field has been "S. Hollywood", "S. H.", and "S."; the username has at times been "hshen", I think. I can't remember the sitename -- some uni- versity in the western US, I think. This person was active within the past couple of months, but I haven't seen anything from him/her just lately -- maybe I'm not reading the "right" groups. Charles Packer: Contrib. post: A person who comes across to me as a borderline crank is Charles Packer, who posts occasionally in various groups where current events are being discussed. His bugbear is errors, or things that he thinks are errors, in newspaper articles or photo-captions. He is entirely coherent and sometimes the things he thinks must be errors really are, so maybe he's just researching a book or something rather than being a crank; but it looks to me as if his skepticism level is set a good deal too high. Again, I can't remember his posting site -- probably somewhere in the New York area, since the newspaper he most often cites is -- see below. MARTIANS BUILD TWO IMMENSE CANALS IN TWO YEARS. Vast Engineering Works Accomplished in an Incredibly Short Time by Our Planetary Neighbors. -- N.Y.Times headline, August 27, 1911 Ralph Taite (Walphie): Contrib. post: What about Ralph(Walph/Waphie) Taite as a possible net.legend/loon?? He has completely taken over the likes of alt.feminism,soc.men,soc.women and god knows what other groups.. Ah the hum of ^Walph is a Nazi^ , ^Walph rapes^ and similar subject lines.. :) Jacco Zwetsloot (I read AFU once a month and waste tons of bandwidth reviving old threads and asking questions that have already been answered at least eight times): Self-explanatory. Richard Schennberg: Contrib. post: Pesters the alt.magic, alt.pagan, and talk.religion.christian groups (among others) with his stories of satanic infiltration into the church. He is convinced that a secret cabal of Mormon Freemasons (!) ruined his military career and destroyed his marriage. He's been laughed off alt.magick and alt.pagan, but is still infesting src. Posts as . Joe Buehler: Contrib. post: Don't see him much lately. * The Catholic church was OK up until Vatican 2: the changes since then were heretical. Clearly, Mass in anything but Latin is a not good with God. If the Pope says it, it must be true... * The Spanish Inquisition was a Good Idea, since there were real heretics out there... * Masons steal Holy Water and Consecrated Wafers from Catholic churches (I haven't the foggiest idea what we're supposed to do with them). drieux: Contrib. post: He was sort of like McElwaine, only he parodied himself; he posted wacked-out conspiracy rants accusing people of being part of the GreatEvilSatanicOxygenCartelConspiracy or something to that effect. Is he still existent? Bob Webber: At one time, possibly before the Great Renaming, Bob Webber claimed to read (regularly) every news-article in existence. Quite probably he no longer does this, but this quite probably qualifies him for inclusion as a net.legend... Posted from (probably) @porthos.rutgers.edu . John Covici: reposts Lyndon LaRouche stuff, coordinates the Larouche mailing list. Contrib. post: Lyndon Larouche's mouthpiece on the net. Hard to tell what *he* thinks (and I'm not sure I want to know), but keeps alt.activism up on the latest ramblings of his mentor. These include (I'm not making this up) a Zionist-KKK-Nazi-British-Mason-Apollonian conspiracy against Western Civilization. Carasso: Roger David or David Roger Carasso; reputedly the originator of "xposted to *.test"; may be the person posting from carasso@Inference.COM (d.r. carasso). Signed himself DR. CARASSO, FOUNDER OF THE INTERNET in a recent a.r.k post... -- David DeLaney: dbd@utkux.utcc.utk.edu; ObQuote: `I suggest quoting 'J"K"P' and 'J"RR"P' both. --K' Disclaimer: AFAIK, *nobody* speaks for U.T.Knoxville __ (consistently); Thinking about this disclaimer (or about theor. particle \/ physics) may cause headaches. Vicki and Kibo have not yet met. Kibo #: +1