Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po7.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18174; Sat, 2 Dec 95 10:22:14 EST Received: from SENATOR-BEDFELLOW.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA01370; Sat, 2 Dec 95 10:21:06 EST Received: (from root@localhost) by senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU (8.6.12/2.3JIK) id KAA24028 for Linux-Development-System-Dist@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 10:17:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199512021517.KAA24028@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> From: Digestifier To: Linux-Development-System@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Linux-Development-System@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU Date: Sat, 2 Dec 95 10:17:09 EST Subject: Linux-Development-System Digest #75 Linux-Development-System Digest #75, Volume #2 Sat, 2 Dec 95 10:17:09 EST Contents: Secure IP, anyone? (Colin Plumb) ARgg! - Don't know what has happened. (Infecticide) Re: kernel 1.3.45 and PPP --> not working :((( (Nathan Wallwork) Re: Netscape 2.0 breaks RedHat 2.0 Linux (Bob Hauck) Re: Latest Stable Kernel ??? (Uwe Bonnes) Re: CTRL-ALT-DEL under XFree86 (Uwe Bonnes) Re: 8088 port (Alexander Otterbein) getpass() bug or feature? (Marek Michalkiewicz) Re: can't compile with inb(), outb(); linking errors (Andrew Mileski) Re: Bug(?) with the linux console (Colten Edwards) Re: How to make HD spin down? (Rogier Wolff) Re: 'md' Disk Striping util-- anyone using w/ 1.3.X? (Marc ZYNGIER) Re: Anyone working on a tape file system ? (Tommy Thorn) Re: Where the offical place for libc? (Thomas Quinot) Re: Anyone working on a tape file system ? (David A Willmore) Re: Standardized Printing for Linux (Tim Gehrke) Crashed disk with linux (Christophe SUCUR) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: colin@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Colin Plumb) Subject: Secure IP, anyone? Date: 29 Nov 1995 02:48:42 -0700 My knowledge of networking code is pretty limited, but maybe someone intrepid would like to take a look at http://skip.incog.com and see if the free SKIP (Simple Key Management for IP, an encrypted IP service) source code there can be adapted to work under Linux. The code there is for SunOS 4.1.3, which means Berkeley mbufs, and if I knew who to tell in FreeBSD/NetBSD land, they'd probably have an easier time of it, but I don't happen to. Is anyone here interested? -- -Colin ------------------------------ From: Infecticide (Infecticide) Subject: ARgg! - Don't know what has happened. Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 00:20:23 GMT When I run my slip.dip command: dip slip.dip it logs in correctly and everything... but when I telnet out it gives me "network unreachable"... I have set up everything with netconfig (command = setup), and have set up the correct ip address and everything. It used to work but now it doesn't! Any suggestions? Please email me them: aleipold@clark.net ------------------------------ From: owen@thelair.zynet.com (Nathan Wallwork) Subject: Re: kernel 1.3.45 and PPP --> not working :((( Date: 2 Dec 1995 00:37:22 -0700 In article , Alex Martelli wrote: >Pavel Korensky writes: > ... >>yesterday, I tried to compile kernel 1.3.45. Everything seems OK, except PPP. >>I compiled kernel with SLIP and PPP support (I triple check it). >>When I tried to run pppd, I got the message "PPP is not on system" or >>similar. > >I think you just need to download and install the very latest release >of pppd. I can verify this. I just upgraded to 1.3.45 and ppp still works. I've already upgraded pppd. -- Nathan Wallwork owen@zynet.com http://www.zynet.com/~owen/index.html [3.1] GAT d-(++) s: a- C++ UL++++>$ P+++ L+++ E++ W+ N++ w--- O- M- V- PS+ PE Y++ PGP(--) t 5 X R* tv-- b++ DI++ D--- G++ e h+ r++ y? ------------------------------ From: bobh@wasatch.com (Bob Hauck) Subject: Re: Netscape 2.0 breaks RedHat 2.0 Linux Date: 29 Nov 1995 03:15:09 GMT Reply-To: bobh@wasatch.com In article <49dpi7$e89@hermes.synopsys.com>, jbuck@synopsys.com (Joe Buck) writes: >njeru@yoko.mit.edu (James Njeru) writes: >>I recently installed RedHat 2.0 ELF with a.out support (using defaults >>all the way). The libc is libc 5.0.9 shared. The ld.so is >>ld.so.1.7.5. > >>All looked fine for all until I run netscape 2.0x. > >How much RAM do you have? How much swap? Is your swap enabled? >>After I start netscape, I am unable to run any other command >>(eg "ls" or "who" or "free") on my system until I quit >>netscape! The message I get when I try an "ls" in any window while >>netscape is up is: >> >> > ls >> ls: can't map '/dev/zero' >> ls: can't map '/dev/zero' >> ls: can't load library 'libc.so.5' This is a known problem. DOSEMU 0.60.3 also exhibits it when using the emumodule to run DPMI programs. In the case of dosemu, the problem is that it uses mmap() against /dev/zero to allocate memory, and it does not close /dev/zero when it's done. It seems that only one program at a time can have /dev/zero open for writing. There was a patch floating around on the dosemu mailing list that fixes the problem. Perhaps netscape is doing the same thing? I think the kernel people are aware of this and have some fixes, but have not heard anything definite. --- Bob Hauck Wasatch Communcations Group bobh@wasatch.com Data (24 hrs): 801-272-3792 ------------------------------ From: bon@elektron.ikp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Uwe Bonnes) Subject: Re: Latest Stable Kernel ??? Date: 2 Dec 1995 01:09:52 GMT Gary K Nitzberg (gknitz@netcom.com) wrote: : I want to undate my kernel. : What is the latest stable kernel you would recommend? Do you mean production or hackers kernel? -- Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.th-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt ========= Tel. 06151 162516 ======== Fax. 06151 164321 ========== ------------------------------ From: bon@elektron.ikp.physik.th-darmstadt.de (Uwe Bonnes) Subject: Re: CTRL-ALT-DEL under XFree86 Date: 30 Nov 1995 15:30:25 GMT Aurel Balmosan (aurel@uni-paderborn.de) wrote: : Hi, : I am searching for a patch that enables the CTRL-ALT-DEL boot key under : XFree86. (I think a patch in the keyboard driver that disable the : reassignment of this key combination should work) : Try CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE first. This kills the server, if you didn't disable that in XF86Config. Then back on the console, CTRL-ALT-DEL should work. -- Uwe Bonnes bon@elektron.ikp.physik.th-darmstadt.de Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt ========= Tel. 06151 162516 ======== Fax. 06151 164321 ========== ------------------------------ From: prale@prale.rhoen.de (Alexander Otterbein) Subject: Re: 8088 port Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:02:48 GMT Greg Myers (gmyers@wsnet.com) wrote: : > : Linux is a 32-bit operating system that supports true multi-tasking and : true multi-user operations. The 8088 chip is a 16-bit internal/8-bit : external chip. Meaning it could never happen. At least not without : SEVERE problems/consequences. : With used 386 prices in the dirt, why would anyone even consider running : it on a 8088??? perhaps to see it run in a virtual dos machine of os/2 ? ciao... alex. -- prale@prale.rhoen.de Phone: +49=6648-919090 Fax: +49=6648-919091 ------------------------------ From: marekm@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl (Marek Michalkiewicz) Subject: getpass() bug or feature? Date: 30 Nov 1995 14:00:23 GMT Long time ago I noticed that one can't Ctrl-C out of passwd, su, and anything else that asks for password using getpass(). This is different from other systems (at least SunOS and Solaris) where getpass() can be interrupted. This is even documented: "An interrupt will terminate input and send an interrupt signal to the calling program before returning" (from SunOS man page). The version of getpass() from the shadow suite does this too. The problem is that getpass() in libc (up to 5.0.9 at least) clears the ISIG termios flag, so keyboard signals don't work. Now for the question: is this intentional, or should I report this as a bug in libc? If it should be fixed, here is what needs to be changed: - don't clear the ISIG flag (or maybe even explicitly set it), - catch SIGINT, and if it was caught then send it again to the current process just before returning (after the previous SIGINT handler is restored). So, is this a bug or feature? Marek ------------------------------ From: dmtech@magi.com (Andrew Mileski) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps Subject: Re: can't compile with inb(), outb(); linking errors Date: 29 Nov 1995 05:35:41 GMT Randall Jones (rjones@newshost.aoc.nrao.edu) wrote: > I'm trying to write a *very* basic hardware interface to a card I have. > I'm trying to use the outb() and inb() functions under C. > #include > main() { outb (0x00, 0x2e1); } > This compiles fine, but wont link... Add -O2 to the GCC command line. I think you'll find the explanation in the GCC manual under inline functions. Some pretty ugly macros make inb() and outb() work. For details, run that test program of yours through the preprocessor (option -E) and look at the output. The results ain't pretty...but it makes more sense than the header file. -- Andrew E. Mileski -- ======================================================= Dark Matter Technologies Inc. - Ottawa Ontario, Canada! mailto:dmtech@magi.com http://www.magi.com/~dmtech/ ------------------------------ From: edwards@panasync.canuck.ca (Colten Edwards) Subject: Re: Bug(?) with the linux console Date: 1 Dec 1995 23:21:59 GMT Reply-To: edwac@sasknet.sk.ca Paul Fisher (rao@hell.catt.ncsu.edu) wrote: : Michael F Gordon (mfg@ee.ed.ac.uk) wrote: : : I've seen this occasionally as well, but I just assumed it was a hardware : : glitch with my cheap and nasty video card (Trident TVGA8900CL). Which : : video card are you using? : : It's definately a software glitch. :) ... I'm using an ATI Mach32 VLB with : 2MB vram.. it wasn't exactly an el-cheapo card when I purchased it. ;) : : Paul Fisher : rao@hell.catt.ncsu.edu I've seen this as well with ATI Mach32 ISA with 2mb ram Colten Edwards ------------------------------ From: wolff@socrates.et.tudelft.nl (Rogier Wolff) Subject: Re: How to make HD spin down? Date: 30 Nov 1995 16:42:05 GMT Reply-To: r.e.wolff@et.tudelft.nl [how do I make an HD spin down] : : : >Does anybody know a tool that will work for me? : : "hdparm" will do this for IDE drives that support a spindown timeout. : : (Look for the "-S" switch). : Works great except for my root disk. I _think_ syslogd likes to write to a : file every so often, so negating the effects of the spindown! Anyone know : how to cure this? The system periodically writes some info back to disk to assure that a sudden powerfail won't destroy too much work. Look in the bdflush manual pages for information to change that..... (I think I use "bdflush -5 3000 -6 12000" on my laptop.....) Roger. -- *** War doesn't determine who's right ****** War determines who's left. *** ** EMail: R.E.Wolff@et.tudelft.nl * Tel +31-15-2783643 or +31-15-2137459 ** *** my own homepage *** ------------------------------ From: maz@gloups.fdn.fr (Marc ZYNGIER) Subject: Re: 'md' Disk Striping util-- anyone using w/ 1.3.X? Date: 28 Nov 1995 08:28:01 GMT Alexandra Griffin (acg@mandrake.cen.ufl.edu) wrote: : The latest version of 'md' present on sunsite (0.27) doesn't patch : cleanly into 1.3.X kernels. I'm working on applying the failed patches : by hand, but there's also a problem with some proto-RAID5 code and : header files that are referenced but not included in the distribution. [SNIP] Well, patch on sunsite is outdated since at least 2 or 3 centuries... Please have a look to sweet-smoke.ufr-info-p7.ibp.fr in public/Linux for much more up-to-date versions... I'm about to release md 0.32, patched against 1.3.45, before the end of this week. This will be a linear/raid-0-only release, since raid-1 is being rewritten, and raid-5 is almost dropped, because of pathological problems and slowness... Marc. -- Every day sends future to past, | Marc ZYNGIER Every breath leaves me one less to my last | ------------------------------ From: thorn@drogo.irisa.fr (Tommy Thorn) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Anyone working on a tape file system ? Date: 30 Nov 1995 02:10:34 +0100 willmore@whelk.cig.mot.com (David A Willmore) writes: | >mkswap /dev/fd0 | >swapon /dev/fd0 | | >It really works. Scary. | | Hey, don't laugh too loudly. I used to have to do that on a 2meg machine | to be able to compile the kernel. 386/20 w/ 2 meg 40 meg HD with only enough | partitioned space for the actual source code. At 5:00, reboot into Linux, | put in a floppy, swapon it, start a build and come back after the weekend... | Of course, we've come a long way since Linux v.12 I doubt you can do that anymore. The source takes about 16meg and adding the objects files leave little room for anything else. Since 1.3.15 I've given up compiling on a 386sx/16 4meg 60meg HD (notebook). Simply not enough space. It makes me sad though. I used to try almost every version, but in the end I could hardly compile fast enough to follow Linus's speed :-) /Tommy ------------------------------ From: thomas@cuivre.fdn.fr (Thomas Quinot) Subject: Re: Where the offical place for libc? Date: 30 Nov 1995 12:56:09 GMT Rick Niles (niles@axp745.gsfc.nasa.gov) icrit : > I thought it was tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/packages/GCC but they > don't seem to get any recent updates... The directory you mention carries the latest official release of libc. More recent updates are in beta test state. -- Grand.Bwana@cuivre.fdn.fr | Linux : the choice of a GNU generation ------------------------------ From: willmore@whelk.cig.mot.com (David A Willmore) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Anyone working on a tape file system ? Date: 1 Dec 95 22:59:31 GMT thorn@drogo.irisa.fr (Tommy Thorn) writes: >willmore@whelk.cig.mot.com (David A Willmore) writes: >| Hey, don't laugh too loudly. I used to have to do that on a 2meg machine >| to be able to compile the kernel. 386/20 w/ 2 meg 40 meg HD with only enough >| partitioned space for the actual source code. At 5:00, reboot into Linux, >| put in a floppy, swapon it, start a build and come back after the weekend... >| Of course, we've come a long way since Linux v.12 >I doubt you can do that anymore. The source takes about 16meg and >adding the objects files leave little room for anything else. Since >1.3.15 I've given up compiling on a 386sx/16 4meg 60meg HD (notebook). >Simply not enough space. It makes me sad though. I used to try >almost every version, but in the end I could hardly compile fast >enough to follow Linus's speed :-) Well, the .12 source was much smaller. ;) Not all that much was in it. I think I still have a copy. I should try it to see if it still works... Cheers, David ------------------------------ From: Tim Gehrke Subject: Re: Standardized Printing for Linux Date: 30 Nov 1995 15:35:29 GMT kermit@wwa.com (Matthew D. Isleb) wrote: >Has anyone heard anything about stadarizing printing for linux? >I have heard that SCO has some kind of standarization of printing. > >As of now, to get any kind of decent printouts you need a postscript printer >and a filter to turn docs into postscript. Or perhaps you have been >lucky enough to find a filter for you specific printer (e.g. HP DeskJet 500) > >I find this to be a big drawback for linux. I have been poking around [...] I totally agree and I think this is a good idea. Is is urgently needed for Linux having a standardized printing mechanism. >this is how it would work: > >a) Drivers would be compiled into the kernel or modularized. >b) they would be an extention to the lp.c driver (posibly prn.c) >c) This prn driver would register as a new major device. >d) Devices would be created: /dev/prn0, /dev/prn1 I do not like this. I would prefer having a Printer deamon that handles all Printers, manages a Printing spooler (great if used with networks) and has printer drivers as loadable modules for serving these printers. >c) Programs could retieve info and capabilities about a specific printer > from the device file or the proc file system. This also would be possible while having a demon. All you would need to is specifiing an API for the programs to acces the demon. >d) A standard printer configuration utility would be writen to configure > a printer for a program to print. Although applications could be >writen to configure a printer (in a stadardized manner that is). Agreed. >Does anyone have any ideas? Unfortunately, my knowlege of drive writing >far surpasses my knowlege of printers. My knowledge of writing Linux programs is not extant, so I only can make suggestions on general conceptions, from the view of a user and sysadmin, as far as my knowledge allows. What I would like to have is a printerd (as mentioned above) for handling the printers, managing the (a) printing spooler, loading the needed drivers when needed (bad english, I know) and appropriating the interfaces for the programs. So what programmers would have to think about, is, how to define this interface and how the communication (the protocol that will be used) between the program that wants to print and the deamon will happen. Maybe you could re-use a language like TeX or dvi. Also something similar to the GUI of MS won't be bad (not all concepts of them have to be bad - most of them aren't). This also may improve the possibility for Software Companies of porting their programs for Linux. Thanks for your attention, :-) Tim -- ** Wie auch immer die Frage lauten mag, die Antwort ist 42 - nicht 95 ** * * * Thiemo "Tim" Gehrke * * EMail: tgehrke@lrz.fh-muenchen.de * * * ********* Whatever the question is, the answer is 42, not 95 *********** Redistribution of this message is prohibited for: Microsoft Network, Compuserve, America Online, Telekom Online and Europe Online! ------------------------------ From: sucurc7@cti.ecp.fr (Christophe SUCUR) Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.security.unix Subject: Crashed disk with linux Date: 1 Dec 1995 19:19:17 GMT Hi I've just had an odd crash on my machine . The system crashed during the night and, when I tried to reboot linux, it found a DRDY error while trying to mount hdb and just stopped (according to what I've read, it's a problem with the IDE controler but that's all I could find about it ...) So, I rebooted with a floppy and, surprisingly, I was able to mount the HD without any warning, read my /var/adm/messages and my last . Then I ran e2fsck but it couldn't find any error either, but I still couldn't reboot linux . So I decided to install linux from the beginning but just before I tried to save some files from my /home : once again the DRDY error but that time I couldn't reboot at all, even with a floopy . The HD led was on and that was it . Nothing happened . I had to unplug my HD to access my other partitions on another HD . Anyone knows what may have happened ??? And do I have any chance to get my HD back ? My system is : Intel 486 dx2 66 IDE controler on VLB HD Western Digital Caviar 2540, slave (master HD is a 360 Mo Maxtor with only a DOS partition) linux 1.2.13 Another precision : I've found in my /var/adm/messages a odd connection from Nothin-But-Net.white.net with a whois I've found : white.net NS COOLPOWER.WHITER.THAN.WHITE.COM white.net NS SHELL.BREAK.COM.AU It's supposed to be a network and security consultants company in Melbourne, Australia . A telnet connection had been established at the exact time of the crash ... 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