Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 20 September 1982 The meeting was called to order at 19:32 by Wendy E. Rowe In attendance were Barmar, ZRM, Naha, Gill, JWD3, NJD, GMP, WER, BCN, CBF, RDZ, Steve, Alan, c/, RK, J9, and several frosh and users. Prospectives: Elisa Barzelay, Dinarte Morais, Paul Rosenblum, Jim Buonora, Charley Marker. Late were: PLJ, JR, HDT, ACW, DCP, Lai, Jay, JIS, KAM The minutes of the meeting of 13 September 1982 were read and accepted as corrected. PLJ, JR, HDT, Lai, ACW, DCP came in during this. Jay came in at this point. *** User Interrupt *** Lo, Yaihung, and John Kim - $200 - to work on lab reports for a four-person group. Given. TCA - for the blood drive program. They also want to add to the program so that it prints scheduling cards. They also want to run the program during the days of the drive so that they can schedule people on the spot, so they want to borrow a terminal. Wes Burner had said that he would fund the blood drive as he did last term. They will talk to Wes when he comes back from vacation at the end of the week. Motion to lend them a terminal for the days of the drive, for which they will sign a liability agreement; passed. *** End User Interrupt *** Treasurer's Report: Total spending MTD 3,995.22 (SIPB/SIPBADMIN 1,316.66) YTD 12,712.67 The phone bills didn't arrive as promised. JR will bug Katy O'Sullivan for them again. The treasurer has a cold and feels terrible. He wants to go home and go to sleep. Our new account number is 16394, not 13608. This is the number to use for phone call billing now. Chairman's Report: Membership cards expire in a week and a half. WER was busy today. Last night she wrote a letter to Bob Cavanaugh of the CRSP, which allocates room space, so that our new location will be discussed at their meeting this Wednesday. She also sent a copy of the letter to Provost Low. This is the first that they have heard about our dissatisfaction with the Bldg. 2 space. JIS, KAM came in during this. Elections: We have an election for secretary. WER read the duties of the secretary from the By-Laws. Discussion of whether Steve is eligible to be secretary. The minutes say that officers must have been active for the preceding term; motion to interpret summer as a term - passed. Votes: KAM: 10, PLJ: 5. KAM took over as secretary. Zigurd announced a party at his house after the meeting. RDZ mentions that some freshmen will be eligible for nomination at next meeting and we should get to meet them. Office Report: New desk drawer--rk. They're not made anymore; we should scrounge. Jay--Joe Connors will look for one, jay will remind him. Steve: student directory fiche is not available anymore; steve is trying to get permission for hard copy before it comes off. RK: we want it like once a month. jay & RK: the privacy issue is that they don't weed it for people who requested that they not be in the Student directory. CBF: sign up for office hours. for a minimum of two hours. the office has been locked during office hours last week! Barmar: freshman should sign up. Steve will replace it w/ another , and there's too much on the blackboard. RK: do not file applications before they are ready. JIS: they are coming out of JJ's bin indiscriminately. DO THE RIGHT THING W/ THE APPLICATIONS, DON'T BE SLOPPY! WER: do some Sipbadmin work, everyone. jay: IF SOMEONE CHECKED NULL-ACCESS, GIVE THEM NULL-ACCESS. Read and correct member's policy statement. WER: prospective members should have a member look over their shoulder for taking applications. barmar: a member should cosign. WER: read the office manual; penny is revising it. RK: get stamps. people aren't reading the "to do" box. they should. Steve: there's too much stuff on the blackboard to read the to do board. Computer Services: Telecommunications Report: BCN is learning to fix terminals. he went to Macgregor and fixed their la36. he noticed that they have no terminal policy and that the students have no access to the terminal room. ZRM they gave him doubletalk but it seems that th...Dinarte Morais from Macgregor says there's no problem. WER: after hours barton and mike are taking turns keeping the key all night. WER: living groups terminal chairman is supposed to get new ribbons and supplies for terminals. DCP: Macgregor got their ribbon. he wants to know who else in SIPB is going to help mount mast. he thanks gill. what's going on w/ eric? we shouldn't let it drag again. gill: eric said he'd do it thurs; we should learn how to do this instead of relying on eric to do it. someone m from mac. wants to know how to install a ribbon. JIS: there is no reason why we should have to know how to install mast. it's Eric's job, we shouldn't try to take over for him, he wouldn't like it. it's extraordinary, there are plenty of things we should know how to do. DCP: w/o being responsible, it is nice to know how to do things. but it isn't essential for us to know how to do it. gill: it would be interesting. there followed negotiation for when the thing should be done so as to maximize our learning and Eric's convenience. CBF: we should make it entirely at Eric's convenience. it will happen on thurs. afternoon. DCP: it will take an afternoon., maybe longer. gill: how much does the software have to be changed?--no big deal; DCP agrees. WER is looking for a space for the terminal concentrator, seems there is no secure space. jay & JIS: figure out the total dimensions required. there is some speculation. CBF: if there's a lock on the box don't worry about security that much. jay: will try to get space on fourth floor in ventilation rooms from student center manager if someone will give him specifications. CBF & gill: discussed how the connections cable will be made. ACW: we don't want it in a ventilation room. Naha: this is a more secure room than the kind ACW is describing. ACW: wants to know about environment . ZRM we can get a box w/ security and environment--he should look into it. Barmar: senior house vadic? gill: senior house phones are now in perfect working order. the phone company screwed up, gill caught them and got them to fix it. WHY is it touch tone anyway, say many people. gill: can't stand exclusion switch f phone, it's a pain. WER: we would have to put in another work order. CBF: gill should change the documentation. gill: that won't work. argument ensues. DCP: why can't we just get a y-connector? gill: because it won't work, but he'll have to look up why. CBF: makes a suggestion which he will discuss w/ gill afterwards. more office report: steve: ec votes warning forms and 370 applications should all go in the correct folder in IN. back. gill: give the terminal chairmen more responsibility? JIS: great when he knows what he's doing, but we can't control that. if we know that he knows what he's doing, good. RK: move to leave as it is. second. editorial comment: people are turkeys! steve: terminal chairman should be responsible for collating manuals . RK: well, he doesn't trust the dorms w/ the key to the manual racks. ZRM; we should trust them w/ the key. BCN: why don't we just give them a paper clipl. barmar: we should keep on going the way we do, speaking as the one who does most of the manual collating anyway steve: no one uses the manuals in the dorms. if the dorms won't do this work, its not being used, so we shouldn't. barmar explains what collating manuals means. gill: Steve's right. we shouldn't be busy collating manuals. [GODDAM!--ed.] gill: we should get rid of RK's motion. Rick withdraws it after the chairman loses her temper. steve turns his suggestion into a motion. (in case you hadn't noticed, the secretary lost her temper too). second. Paul: if they don't collate them, but bury them instead, there is nothing we can do about it. steve: in that case we should punt, and not buy the new manual. RK: it would take as much time to collate the manual as to look to see if its been done by the dorm. barmar explains what steve says, but in english. ZRM: people will complain if the manuals aren't there, thus it is responsive to the needs of the students. Naha: uses the manuals as consulting aids. RK: you're making it sound like it's the dorms responsibility but the terminal chairman is just some student like us. CBF: if we initiate the policy we should leave a note in the terminal room explaining to all concerned that they are welcome to do it. barmar: we should if we do this get the new manuals anyway so that they just don't get the collating done. KAM it is not responsive to the needs of the students if they have to go to two or three levels of indirection to get it done. jay: it is not unreasonable for the terminal chairman to collate the manuals, and we should at least ask them if they will do it. paul: we should put the manuals out there and let them sort them maybe, but we should definitely give them new manuals. RK: we need more locks for the manual racks then. DCP: steve is willing to shaft the students if they have incompetent terminal chairmen. jay: we should try. DCP: if theyre willing yes but we shouldn't ram it down their throats. barmar: one thing in favor is that the manuals aren't being collated. steve: move to try to get the terminal chairmen to take the responsibility for collating manuals subject to favorable response from dorms. motion passes. gill: EC phone lines are very insecure, you should watch out. JIS: Naha just left for senior house w/ manuals to be collated. WER: the telephone in the East Campus terminal room is dead. cbf:tca wants a terminal for blooddrive. we should keep a spare terminal around for things like this and broken terminals. RK: if we keep a spare modem it should be a vadic.zrm:cbf's idea is a good one, and we should get a carrying case. CBF: the uds is a better spare. RK: but when it's broken it's worse. CBF moves to buy a spare uds. JIS: amendment to make it a vadic. amendment is unfriendly. vadic is more expensive and heavier. RK: the weight of the z19 is such that the difference is immaterial. it is important to be able to talk 300baud and other protocols than bell 212. ZRM: little modem is a good idea. steve: when is bell 212 insufficient and you need 300baud. RK: talking to the jcf. CBF: he is not aware of these problems, but if this really is important, he wants the option of getting a dc-hayes. gill: mit vax does not have bell protocol. jay: is it the same problem w/ jcf and w/ ee (busy phone lines) or is it a technical one. RK: i think it's a technical problem. need lights on the front saying what it thinks its doing. we do not want a third type of high speed modem.jis: remember that e we're talking a field unit: should have as much versatility as possiblie. repeats rk';s point about the lights. BCN supports RK and JIS. CBF says vadics are less reliable--they won't send a string of capital u's. theyr power supply is not ul approved, and they take the wall outlet with them when you pull them out. the lights aren't that important. gill amends the amendment to also get a pice of electrical cord to get over the ul approved problem accepted as friendly. amendment comes up for vote.passes. amendment CBF get an auto dialer and exchange it w/ another one cause we need an autodialer. JIS autodialer on concnetrator will lose. CBF: this is the only economical way to get an autodialer. CBF and RK discuss technical details--jis repeats that it doesn't work and asks for a chance to prove it. gill: ccc has an autodialer that is guaranteed to work but which makes people laugh (the secretary doesn't understand the details). people say it would work. table the whoile moption till next week while we look into the autodialer. w/o objection, tabled. computer services: RK: JIS did dump, we should delete students w/ cutoff 9/1/82. steve: we should wait, people are still coming in to get their accounts extended. jay: we should wait until oct. 1st. steve:we shouldn't be such computer elitists when people come in w/ fortran questions and basic questions. rdz: the personid thing is out of date. jay: we want bill's hack to do that. steve: we shouldn't use it to tell them what their userid is. jay: it should be kept up to date anyway. KAM: 3.11 is coming back, expect students to come in w/ questions. JIS: pwople should not be netting back to musltics from multics w/ sipb_registrar. furthermore, let's change the sipb_registrar's passwords. rdz: who's doing jobs? WER: hdt? barmar describes how to do job referral sevice--1. add to list w/ sipbadmin account, &2. call companies back and find out if they still want to be listed. WER: someone should ask howie if he's still doing it. rdz & others: some freshman should volunteer. barmar: retrieval requests MUST have a date on them. check the dump map. steve: can barmar give us a retrieval tutorial session?cbf: can barry alphabetize the cleanup tape that RK made? WER: pkelley is teaching a course at lowell. expect students to come in w/ questions. Publications Report: jay:propose that we buy intro to tops-20, intro to vms, vax fortrsan, and clu. RK: we're out of space. ZRM: table the motion. jay: someone (else) should look into it. steve: move to get them for the office and see how big they are. ZRM: reminds us of his party. motion passes. paul will volunteer to get it. steve: bring in a byte subscription form. there is some discussion (secretary fault--phone call from tzs) about something about the jcf that the secretary doesn't understand. WER: we have lisp notes at beane that we should get immediately. WER: read modifications of nets and nums on board. Annual-Report Report: WER: we have sent out three copies of the annual report; we have a cover to put on the rest of the copies; and there is something else we need to do about it which you should ask WER about. IAP Report: there was no iap report. Other: auto facutly members? RK: it must go to meeting. CBF: ditto. JIS & CBF: we should grill faculty members. Applications: yong g kwong $100 -> mtg amendment: $50 rdz: we should talk to jay. tabled till later in meeting. boon c lee $50 ->mtg given. kwong defered till hi comes to meeting marvin $50 ->mtg 370 given marvin $50 -> mtg multics given more other: sending student organizationse to wes. CBF: he is on vacation. isa got money out of steinberg. notobla applicatons. stork promised not to do it again. valerie casell 75$ ->ec charles ryan $30 ->ec Total appropriations: $5645.00 without Coop Autoed: Student: $5030.00 370: $160.00 To Meeting: $350.00, EC: $105.00, all Student. Coop: $120.00 Other Other: There was no other other. The meeting was adjourned at 10:20 pm The first half of the minutes taken by Barry Margolin. The second half of the minutes taken by Katharine Marvin. Minutes submitted by Katharine Marvin.