Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 25 Oct 82 The meeting was called to order at 19:35 by Wendy E. Rowe In attendance were DCP, Elisa, Jr, CLM, Ed, ZRM, BCN, PSR, RK, DM, Barmar, PLJ, RDZ, WMY, CBF, Steve, wer, CLM, JSL. Late were HGA, cent, JIS, HDT, ZRM, Gill, naha. The minutes of the meeting of 18 Oct 82 were read and summarized by Steve. 19:44. They were not approved. Treasurer's Report: Total spending MTD 8105.59 (SIPB/SIPBADMIN 911.49 -- 12%) YTD 23933.85 Spending for the past several weeks: 9/13 - 9/20 1512 9/20 - 9/27 1858 9/27 - 10/04 2698 10/04 - 10/11 2142 10/11 - 10/18 2157 10/18 - 10/25 2366 Individual phone bills and account balances are on the board. Several people had large balances from Feb (which may not be all that acurate). If you think you made payments I missed feel free to look through the ledger book and the cash sheets in the Treasurer's draw. To Meeting: Schmitt, Margaret $100 for typing more papers coursework, previously had $100, given. Bechardt, Gordon $50, previously $125. Given. Hernandez, R. G. $100 , did 20 pages with $50, text processing for 4 courses. Had $100 so far. Given $100. George, Varghese P. CMS, $100 to meeting, already had $50 on Multics, gradute student, special project in Nuclear Engineering, not thesis. Given $100 on CMS. Vinciguerra, Ralph L. text processing for Thirsty Ear Society, no amount. Move to reject on grounds that activity should pay for it themselves. Decided to limbo instead as they are asking Wes Burner for funds. Bowman, Lee E. for Phi Sigma Kappa to type up newsletter. Move to reject since this is an expense of the fraternity. Rejected. Warning forms: Chen, Thomas M. someone else's resume. Spellman, Roger doing Hillel work on his student account. Sieving, Alan R. printed lots of copies of his resume on the 9700. Wendy didn't hasn't called him yet, because she wasn't sure if we wanted this to be against policy re 9700. It is generally agreed that it is henceforth against our policy. CBF brings up issue of whether we really want to hassle MIT students who do other MIT student's resumes. Probably they would just send the friend in for an account and use the friends account anyway. Some people seem to feel that its ok as long as they've told us they are doing someone elses resume. JIS feels that we should ignore it unless its very blatent. ZRM moves to only notice "this abuse" if the misuse is blatent. Amended to say that use to do the resume of another MIT student is allowed provided it is stated on the application. Passes. 20:11 Chairman's Report: wer states that the secretary may ask members to not use terminals during meeting. wer's meeting with Dean Wilson was postponed. Office Report: Office report: we have a copy of new student directory. Steve: CBF & Steve saw our computer (for the terminal concentrator) last week. It is running. Steve would like to bring it into the office to set up and run. The problem is that this requires more space in the office. Steve moves to limit coke and bike storage in the office and to get rid of the loft. RK thinks there is enough room in the office now and we'll be moving in 6 months anyway. JIS would like to split the loft moving to a separate motion, he would like to keep the loft. wer calls for 2/3 vote on motion to divide the question. RK thinks the entire motion should be voted down on the weight of the individual coalitions to vote down the motion. Jeff's moves to add another amendment to also get rid of the stereo and science fiction collection. Jeff now discusses postponing the vote. wer takes a straw poll to find out if the motion should be postponed. Jeff now moves to table. Motion is tabled. The office was waxed Friday night. RK had to restore it by himself Saturday. Barry asks whoever is responsible to remove the dentists drill. CBF points out that grey shelf is full of permanent personal property again. RK says he put the stuff there because it was abandoned on work areas. Computer Services: Consulting log sheets seem to have fallen into disuse. It was agreed to terminate the idea and file them. Steve points out that our spending is perhaps not going as fast as we believe it is. It is under the 1980-81 level for example. Steve also believes that shift one should be turned on for whoever wants it. CBF reminds people that we stopped taking applications in April 1981. CBF has a tool (shift_1_on or 1on) for cheaply turning on shift one. RK doesn't think we should discuss the $200 limit again as it passe last week. CBF asks for volunteer to write up a handout explaining about shift 1. Barry volunteers. wer found lots of lossage in StudentNS bin. Ed feels that the motion last week saying that non-active could not auto applications unless they are given a dispensation by the chair caused a lot of disruption. wer explains intent of motion. There was an EC vote during the week to extend the chair's discretion to also allow the chair to place inactive members on SIPBADMIN. RK points out that some people should not be put on SIPBADMIN and does not the chair to do anything marginal before she talks to RK. JIS brings up idea of Multics chairman, as in "days of yore". Some people say that RK is Multics chairman. There is a discussion of the people who were removed from SIPBADMIN last week. There is a motion that the office of Multics chairman be resucitated and that this person be responsible for the SIPBADMIN project and JJS' password. This means that the Multics chairman or those he gives JJS' password to would have the discretion to decide who is or is not different from who may or may not be on SIPBADMIN, contrary to any previous motions. Motion passes by white ballot. The Multics chairmain may in turn delegate his authority by giving out JJS's passowrd. RDZ points out catch-22 as far as SIPB_registrar password (is not given out until member learns how to do it, member can't learn how to do it if can't log it). It is agreed that new members should still be logged in and trained by old members. Telecommunications Report: Letters to living groups are on the board for review. Next house needs paper. Steve spoke to Sylvia McDowell at the Student Center library today. He explained what a terinal concentrator was, and that we needed space for it and more terminals. Sylvia agreed to give us 3 typing rooms and volunteered 2 or 3 of the meeting rooms for terminal rooms, if only money could be found to renovate the rooms. Steve points out there may be some problem in running the cables. Steve also spoke to RLL today about aiming microwaves. RLL says he is NOT going to do it and people can look in manuals and do it. By this point 21:11 JR, PLJ & CLM were no longer at meeting. Steve outlines 4 major jobs of the SIPB that need to get done: 1) renogiating our situation with IPS 2) putting up the terminal concentrator 3) (Steve never did make point number 3) 4) getting our own computer DM volunteers for number 3. WMY points out how important space is, and says we should grab all the space in the student center we can get, even if we have to fill it with Coke. Gill & naha arrived at this point. Gill's volunteering to help do something with the hardware is reaffirmed. Dave's volunteering to help do the software part is reaffirmed. Eric has walkie-talkies. JSL almost volunteers to do something if he is bludgeoned from behind. There is a grad student who has one of our AJ's on loan and now wants to buy it. How do we let him do this? Someone has to speak to Earl Fuller, naha volunteered. CAH & RK are going to look at the Student Center lines one of these days and try to salvage an additional working set of lines. Vadic was ordered last week. UDS was delivered to Fenway. qpr paper should be purchased, it is rumored that lab supply has qpr paper now, but we should examine it closely. LA120 ribbons should be ordered from DEC since lab supplie's are losing. publications Report: process_paper documentation needs to be added to NETS. wer volunteered. Discussion of what it should be called. It is decided to be pp ("childish" -barmar). Pick up NETS from Beanes. 21:28 SIPB star wars slide is filed in in Publicity Masters in the publications masters drawer. Somewhere we should document how to do super and subscripts on spinwriter and something a little more tutorial about how to get at additional characters. No one volunteers, Barmar will try to find someone else to do it. wer volunteers to be last resort. IAP Report: Does anyone want to do the programming contest? naha describes how old contests were run. Talk to Alan and Allan. Other: Steering committee consensous is summarized. Ask for pie slice now, more elaborate proposal later. Steve would like to encourage more things to get done outside meeting. Steve invites everyone to his room for an after meeting talk. RK says mail is not official. JIS says the conversation is out of order. WMY: members should't be afraid to do things outside meeting. wer: small stack of applications this week, only about 65% was text editing for a change. barmar: people who total auto'd applications should not just total them, they are supposed to review them for reasonableness also. Total appropriations: $1660 without Coop Autoed: Student: $1610 370: $50 To Meeting: $350, $250 Student, $100 CMS. EC: $0 Coop: $50 Other Other: Ed and PAE are planning a retry of Tewksbury Gran-Prix thing. Edgerton lecture Wed. at 20:00. Science '82 has something about computer hackers this week. The meeting was adjourned at 21:38. Minutes taken and submitted by CBF.