Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 07/11/94


	The meeting was called to order at 19:30:05 by sorokin.

	In attendance were 

		Voting members: sorokin yandros shabby dcctdw tlyu
			mwhitson rjbarbal ghudson beaners abbe |
			cat harrisj gamadrid 
		Associate members: jcb jtkohl mhpower wesommer jweiss
			dkk mcmullan srz svalente
		Non-voting members: 
		Prospectives: grisha yonah bobmacke ldgabbay djib
			jemorris krill aragorn smit sipb5 sgw |
			baspitz velly
		Guests:

	Secretary's Gratuitous Pre-meeting Comment:

		The end of the world is nigh.  No mention of OJ on the
		cover of the Globe.

	Treasurer's Report:

		She met with lorraine. If you need a req for something
		costing under $200, you can talk to the officers and
		they can sign the req.  Otherwise, you need to talk to
		lorraine in E40-321.  

		We actually have a budget now that we're keeping track
		of.  rjbarbal: What's our total annual budget?  abbe:
		I could pull it out of my b-- ackpack...  Our working
		budget is $39000+$11000(network fees).  We pay for
		everything out of that $39k.  IS will provide us with
		one client of each type. abbe: also in that budget is
		service contracts.  lorraine needs a list of machines.
		mhbraun will deal or stop being the contact point for
		this info. We trust him.

		The MITVMA accounts out of use have been nuked.

	Chairman's Report:

		')(

	Office Report:

		We have a 486.  It's pretty toast currently.  dkk:
		what's going on with lola?  yandros: its partition
		table is trashed.  software problems.

		yandros: One of the mac monitors migrated to banana
		and it has a keyboard.  don't knock over the
		monitor, it's on loan.  

		jweiss: support/service for our vaxen and dec 3100's?
		it's not clear, but someone will check.

		sorokin: what's the procedure for decommissioning a
		piece of hardware?  like, to give it to someone else?
		jweiss: I suggest contacting the property office...
		ldgabbay: You have to take it to the property office,
		and make sure it's ok, we've been doing this where
		I've been working.  sorokin: the old mac monitor is
		going to jhbrown.

		ghudson: we should start thinking about when to
		replace the vaxstations, err, get something to
		supercede them.

		jtkohl: what about the other stuff back there?
		printer?  sorokin: the printer is unclaimed.  it's
		not MIT property. whoever gets it out of the office
		first wins.

		yandros: there's a box in the back that seems to have
		come from lola, we should do something about it.
		anything in it?  we don't know, we'll check and take
		it out and deal with the box.

		jweiss: There is some finite chance that I may, you
		know, get unlame this week and clean up the office a
		little bit.  sgw: something dumb. sorokin: shut up,
		steve.

		rjbarbal: phones don't belong on the floor.

		svalente: I haven't gotten a keyboard, I got some
		prices today, they look okay.  A good keyboard was
		about $55.

		svalente: members, like phones, don't belong on the
		floor. sorokin: I disagree unless you want to put them
		on the table.

		ghudson: As long as sal is going to PCs for everyone
		for a keyboard, can we get a 3-button mouse for lola?
		shabby: trackball?  shabby shall price a trackball for
		next week.

		ghudson: We have a whole bunch of QIC tapes for
		quiche's drive.  I think they can read up to 100M.
		yandros: either 90 or 150.

		sorokin: we have no floppies, we should have some
		floppies.  someone: I move we allocate $30 for as many
		disks as that'll buy for office use.  seconded.
		white-ballot?  jweiss: friendly amendment for HD
		disks?  no objection, it passes, mwhitson will deal. 

	MIT Computing Report:

		MIT has computers.

		mwhitson: w20 and w91 have both been hit in the past
		few days...  ghudson: m11, too.  sorokin: any ideas
		why?  jweiss: there was a power hit.  ghudson: no
		athena people were on campus. SIPB people were, though,
		and our services came back nice and fast. dkk: I was,
		but I wasn't in my office.
	
		yandros: 7.7 staff test should start by the end of the
		week.  it doesn't work very well.  jweiss: it doesn't
		work too poorly either.  

		yandros: all the cluster machines were stolen?
		sorokin: they're actually just replacing the
		carpet. the cluster's still open.

		dkk: we have another dictionary available online, the
		OED, we have "some license" for it, and it's in AFS,
		and it's apparently going to be run per workstation
		right out of AFS instead of via a server, and it's the
		OED, a cool dictionary.  yandros: people at DCNS would
		like it if we kept webster running.

		ghudson: MIT has 300 licenses for Purify, Quantify and
		Pure Link for Solaris.  should be available in the not
		too distant future. (it's debugging software)

		dkk: i'm working on a proposal for the next generation
		of dialup, in the pipeline for this fall.  Any
		suggestions, tell those of us that deal with dialups
		about it.  sethg: I don't have a 9600 baud modem!  

		ghudson: For...  I forgot.  nevermind.  ghudson: I've
		asked for, and will probably have created soon some
		new gnu volumes.

	Computer Services:

		ghudson: We have three new sparc 20's in the machine
		room, and two are installed in a state they can be
		kept in.  the third needs to be reinstalled
		currently.  

		ghudson: we're out of ports on the 18.181 Delni, so we
		can't move any more machines over to that net until we
		get a new delni or some other way to go about it.
		dkk: there's a certain lack of respect for the
		reliability of SIPB services because of the fact we
		use a Delni.  yandros: aren't they all going on UTP at
		some time?  mhpower: I thought UTP was only for the
		office, not the machine room?  tlyu: Delni's aren't
		802.3-compliant, apparently.  I'll investigate what's
		going on.

		mhpower: We got some of the clarinet news articles
		late.  If we pay about $25 a month more we can get
		articles 8 hours sooner.  yandros moves we do this.
		ghudson: This will require me to talk to Connie
		Mitchell about stuff.  abbe: Is it going from 24 hours
		after it happens to 16 hours or is it more like 10 to
		2?  mhpower: about 16 to 8...  dkk: I've gotten some
		complaints about it too. [it == the delay] mhpower:
		shouldn't be more than $125, since the billing cycle
		ends in October.  dcctdw: do we have this money? oh,
		man, do we ever.  the motion: allocate up to $300 for
		this deal.  vote: many&mike's hand in the ceiling to 0
		to 2+sgw(late)

		mhpower: I'm working on a program for rtfm to kill off
		processes as root, based on some logical, recent
		criteria. processes that ought to be killed, really.
		mwhitson: is this going to help us with connections
		getting stuck in CLOSE_WAIT? mhpower: if there are
		still processes, yes.  offline stuff.

	SIPB Backup Report:

		yandros: warlord did a backup, which is kinda cool.
		It takes two tapes to do, and it goes about five
		minutes into the second tape.  

	Publications Report:

		')(

	R/O Report:

		R/O sucker isn't here.  Everyone give him a hard time
		about this, since R/O is real soon now.  Any plans for
		Activity Midway?

	IAP Report:

		')(

	CokeComm Report:

		srz: The jerk is buying soda as we speak.  (and there
		was much rejoicing)

		gamadrid: We have coke again and people should give me
		money.  

	Other:

		rjbarbal: I've essentially not read mail in about three
		weeks, which is why I haven't asked opinions about the
		by-laws conspiracy.  I'll send out mail and read
		mail before the next meeting.  Umm...  yeah.

		shabby: I can kinit, klist, and kdestroy under OS/2.

		svalente: kerberos for Unix also works.

		srz: SIPB got mentioned in Ask "Joe".

		rjbarbal: If anyone has experience in building
		MacDiscuss without Kerberos, talk to me.

	Other Other:

		yandros: New Hampshire survived an invasion by five
		bare-chested SIPB members; no casualties were reported.

		abbe: anyone have a handy phrasebook in German,
		Portuguese, Korean, or Japanese?  I could really use
		it.

		abbe: A bunch more people should go to New Hampshire
		should go some time.  sethg: they should at least wear
		neckties.

		jweiss: too many bugs, not enough water on the Ipswich
		river.

		bobmacke: last monday the fireworks were really spiffy.

		(much rejoicing as gamadrid brings Coca Cola into the
		office)

		jcb: Can we put George in the minutes as
		gamadrid-bearing-coke?

		abbe: I spend $325 on stamps today.  

		yandros: it was yoav's birthday Saturday.

		dkk: it was also yoav's birthday a year before that.

		beaners: those three balloons have survived for months
		now.  yandros pulls a sword.

		mhpower: I think that once for each postage stamp abbe
		should forge the signature of the president of fenway
		house. 

		rjbarbal: HowToGAMIT is being published.  Send
		corrections to htg, I guess.  jcb: is the stuff online
		readable?  no, it won't be online.  advertising
		prohibits it.  djib: it may go online later.  if
		nothing else, they can put the corrections online.
		we have a bunch of old htg's in the black cabinet.

		dcctdw: professional ballroom dance lessons are really
		cool.

		shabby: I bought a Magic starter deck today.  sgw: He
		was such a nice boy...

	Post-Meeting Ultimate Report:

		yandros: post-meeting ultimate didn't happen last week
		because it was raining when it was outside, so we went
		swimming instead.  So we'll have ultimate after
		today's meeting and play for twice as long.

	The meeting was adjourned at 20:11:05.


	Minutes taken and submitted by shabby.