Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 02/24/2003 "Uh oh, these might be foley minutes" The meeting was called to order at 19:30:57 by ike. In attendance were Voting members: ike jtu keithw jenselby golem nim kenta Associate members: hartmans oschwar xela alex_c dbj | leira lnemzer srz Prospectives: kchen ssen merolish ghuo mwp Guests: Treasurer's Report: golem: he's not here nim: probably in some carribean country keithw: he cleaned things out Chairman's Report: hartmans: members care more about schoolgirl anime than membership election Elections time! ssen kchen merolish are up there. keithw: what have you done? kchen: yes, worked on Ask SIPB, poked people. It's cool. people like it. answered questions to sipb@mit.edu merolish: around, a "nuisance", Caffeinated Crash Course in C over IAP ssen: maintained lockers, been on zephyr, hung out. kenta: ssen: comment about MacOSX Athena cluster. ssen: it is getting closer, apple X11 server, kerberos integration moving along. I work for apple. golem: what flavor imac? ssen: red ruby. oschwar: will you stop cleaning as much when you're elected? merolish: maybe. maybe people should be cleaner. keithw: I appreciate that the prospectives contribute to the Tech. how do you double/space in Quark CopyDesk Passport? kchen: tech doesn't really double space keithw: the way to double space is to call out "Prod, please doublespace it" ssen: he stole my answer ike: merolish, will you stop referring to the office as 'dawgs'? merolish: I only did it twice, but ok. nim: if user enters saying tactical nuke in cluster, what do you do (their skin is falling off)? merolish: grab the box, pull the fire alarm. golem: don't you die? hartmans: having studied the office manual, what's out of date? kchen, merolish, ssen: mumbling jenselby: the correct answer is the office heads. keithw: what does sipb do not very well, what should it do better? merolish: there should be more assignment of tasks and bugging ssen: students should get credit for making computing better at MIT kchen: awareness of SIPB and comparison to other organizations, might make a good Ask SIPB column. hartmans: what should we spend money on? ssen: better access to public windows machine? at a faster pace than IS? jenselby: would we have to maintain those? golem: not within core competencies. hartmans: actually it is, but it's within our core lameness too. kchen: we should by cool stuff to play with. ssen: playstation? kchen: maybe useful, not productive? kchen: nothing specific in mind. new useful looking products. golem: think of it. we should by that stuff. dbj: at what price is a large, wallmount plasma display ok for the office? does the SIPB need one? kchen: if it were "useful" how much? dbj: $5000-7000 kchen: if it's not useful, don't pay so much golem: how was that q relevant? xela: ask everyone in the room a tech q that noone else can answer, and if no one can answer it, answer it yourself. ssen: easiest way to netboot a mac? dbj: ssen told me about 6 months ago. xela: reboot machine and hold down 'n' ssen: correct merolish: in C are arrays l values or r values? hartmans: golem: merolish: CFAQ says: always unmodifiable l values. it's useless pedantry kchen: reuse machine. isa network. you want to run lynx & dos. how? hartmans: grab the packet drivers, run, see if they work, I don't know. kchen: spare computers are fun. pretty much what sam said. Win98 tells you what stuff is, in case you want to install DOS again. hartmans: what stack does lynx use? kchen: don't know offhand kenta: kchen: re: Ask SIPB: writing columns that IS doesn't like? how do you feel about it? kchen: decision would have to come down to topic/consequences/antagonization, want to stay on good side hartmans: any more questions? jtu: what kind of sucker do you want to be for orientation? ssen: I won't be here. kchen: what are available sucker options? jtu: kchen: I guess if I'm here I can do something. yeah. merolish: won't be here. golem: how is SIPB to prevent itself from getting old and decaying/ how to get more prospective interested in the SIPB? kchen: word of mouth, make your friends prospectives. Ask SIPB column getting the word out. merolish: that's tough. there's only one West Campus member? most people I live with would not be interested. golem: why not? tell us, we're stupid east campusers merolish: umm, umm, golem: this is for posterity, make it good. merolish: umm, umm, ssen: the use computers, they don't play with them merolish: it's all Windows. ssen: advertise projects. attract people. golem: related question: would one of you be a sucker to create a list of projects? or some other medium? suggest a better medium and volunteer to do it. ssen: Spotlight entries on *www* not *web* advertising SIPB stuff. office: wow/groan/laugh merolish: software? ike: music videos? kenta: plasma displays! merolish: threating emails! prominent lists, harass people with committments. kchen: a few mediums: word of mouth, flyers, one time only: Ask SIPB column about projects. golem: I want a different answer. It's hard to get people in SIPB to contribute project ideas to a list. ssen: dbj has been putting stuff in rt, in the yak:shaving queue. golem: rt was an answer I was lookin for. hartmans: move that leira be old and ask the question leira: thanks, ? ssen: I've been around, I fit in better now merolish: SIPBs level of expertise is a good influence. I learn alot. I want to keep learning kchen: I like to help people. I like to sort out ACLs for prospectives, and do the Tech Column. I could do this stuff better as a SIPB member. golem: the right answer is you want an office key. golem: prospectives: get out while we talk about you. keithw: hdtv antenna gets better reception without prospectives golem: I'm sorry I have to kick out this user stapling stuff user: that's ok. golem: which old dude will be jweiss? leira: I will be jweiss. golem: hmm. old, umm, dame, not old dude. final tallies: golem: I'm sorry, you're all members. Office Report: xela: shredder, for destroying ballots? nim: I want one, for destroying documents. hartmans: we don't have space keithw: SIPB shouldn't have a shredder nim: it is "processing information" keithw: I once reassembled shredded docs. it sucked. no shredder. nim: amend to $150 for a fair sized shredder. kenta: don't trust a shredder that's not your own. xela: we shouldn't eat the ballots golem: what? (this explains some things) golem: historically, there's been flamage about this. oschwar: los alamos birds nests are made of shredded paper golem: objections? keithw: yup. keithw: move to reconsider. hartmans: you can't do that. Office Cleaning Report: golem: it's not clean MIT Computing Report: keithw: spamassasin supports start thursday hartmans: apple kerberos under apsl license, won't build keithw: mail problems, po14 down today. Computer Services: hartmans: meh SIPB Backup Report: Publications Report: golem: jtu, can you check the rack? jtu: low on iZephyr. I'll deal by getting 50 copies. Orientation Report: IAP Report: oschwar: "It's closer than you think." CokeComm Report: nim: cadbury cream eggs in cokecomm is going to take 3 years off my life jenselby: will break golem's legs hartmans: conspiracy theory: golem's metamorphosis to 'ctl' is for purposes of skirting cokecomm debt. Other: oschwar: anything know anything useful about SAS? we don't have anything useful for students in the office. Other Other: dbj: Boston Dynamics (bdi.com) wants a replacement for me. They do cool stuff. keithw: larryben wants to get dorm rush scheduling settled by end of week, maybe wednesday Sucks report: jtu: SAFO student activities financial office The meeting was adjourned at 20:22:40. Minutes taken and submitted by ike.