From Wed Apr 19 19:54:29 1989 From: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 88 21:01:57 EDT Apparently-To: eichin Apparently-To: dkk 2-Jul-82 10:26:30-EDT,280;000000000001 Date: 2 July 1982 10:21-EDT (Friday) From: Pat O'Donnell To: info-food at MIT-EECS Subject: new format The format of the help food file has been changed. The ratings are now much more readable. A rating standard has been included in the file, too. 3-Jul-82 04:41:31-EDT,760;000000000001 Date: 3 Jul 1982 0351-EDT From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: I editted the food.hlp file on OZ To: info-food at MIT-OZ I filled in some question marks. I added Panache, Parker House, Chang Sho, and Sol Azteca. I changed ratings on a few things which I assume to have acquired their number of stars back when stars had no defined meaning.. they were (in case anyone cares to challenge me): Mandarin (was 3, now 2) Peking Duck (was 3, now 2) Durgin Park (was 5, now 4) Grendel's (was 4, now 3) Oh, also added Flourchild's. I wrote a program once on MC to try to manipulate this kind of database. I might try to revive it or something like it. This list could easily get quite long and hard to view all at once. -kmp ------- 18-Jul-82 00:37:22-EDT,605;000000000001 Date: 18 July 1982 00:36-EDT From: Kent M. Pitman To: info-food at MIT-EECS My FTP program (:KMP;FTP on MC and FTP on OZ) now understands about locations (eg, NETWORK SET LOCATION WASHINGTON-DC NETWORK SHOW NETWORK SET LOCATION MASSACHUSETTS NETWORK SHOW ). Also, it knows something about costs and uses the bite-size information. Sites which are known to be down at the time you connect to them will give a host not responding diagnostic. Let me know if there are any further options it seems to be drastically missing besides a more filled-out database. 18-Aug-82 09:41:35-EDT,196;000000000001 Date: 18 Aug 1982 0942-EDT From: John Hsu Subject: addition to food.hlp To: info-food at MIT-EECS Reply-to: ID.HSU at MIT-XX I added L'Espalier to your list. ------- 5-Sep-82 03:33:44-EDT,4517;000000000001 Date: 5 September 1982 03:18-EDT From: Howard D. Trachtman To: info-food at MIT-OZ Anyone find these numbers userful??? BBHOP 266-5576 (? - 3am) (- 4am Fri & Sat) Boylston St, just west of Mass. Ave $3.00 with 1 item [8/77] Pinocchio 74 Winthrop St at Boylston St., Harvard Sq. 11 am until Midnight; Sunday 4pm-11pm 876-4897 $2.00/$3.25 except +.50 for mushrooms (worth it) [8/5/77] Hi-Fi 354-9673 (? - 3am) (- 4am Fri & Sat) Mass Ave near Central Square $3.10 with 1 item Loses. Grossly. Campus House 547-2208 (? - midnight) Mass Ave just up from the Tute $~1.70 with 1 item, small type pizzas (EXTRA CHEESE FOR $.35 IS A BIG WIN) Crossroads 262-7371 Boston, just off Hvd Bridge Al Capone's 267-0606 2am? perhaps 1:30 Midnight or 12:30 in the summer. Comm. Ave next to PSK $2.40 with 1 item (gone up recently?) (3.00???) The Original Restaurant Main St, block down from Kabuki etc. good pizza, eat it there. Gershman's 876-2882 4:30-12 (4-12 Sun) DELIVERS! 380 Green St. Camb They seem to have disappeared, the world is the better for it. 3 sizes 3 ranges of items Extras Med 12" 2.05 O,G 25 45 80 25 35 45 Lg 14" 2.65 V,U,P,S 40 70 105 35 50 60 XLg 16" 3.15 H,M,A 45 80 115 45 60 75 "Everything" - 4.00,4.90,5.65 Item codes: A - Anchovy C - Cheese G - Green pepper H - Hamburger M - Mushroom O - Onion P - Pepperoni S - Salami U - saUsage V - oliVe .number "Audubon Bird Watch" "259-8805" .number "WCOZ concert line" "931-1502" .group Food .number "Lobdell" "253-6495" .number "Walker" "253-2715" .number "Campus Hole" "547-2208" .number "Pinocchio's" "876-4897" .number "Sergeant Pepper's" "247-7494" .number "Pizzaria Uno (use this number at your own risk)" "497-1530" .number "Legal Seafood (Kendall Square)" "864-3400" .number "Bel Canto" "547-6120" .number "Flourchild's (Harvard Square" "491-5599" .number "Deli-Haus" "247-9712" .number "Mississippi's" "247-8181" .number "Colleen's (Tue)" "661-1660" .number "Hsing Hsing" "547-2299" .number "Joyce Chen's SEP (Tue)" "492-7272" .number "Mandarin" "497-1544" .number "Mary Chung" "864-1991" .number "Peking Duck (formerly: (Shan Yuan) (Zorbaz) (Sun))" "491-6725" .number "Wu Fu" "876-6299" .number "Kabuki (Sun, Mon)" "491-4929" .number "Savarin's (Sun, Mon)" "876-9475" .number "Baskin-Robbins (Central Sq.)" "354-9670" .number "Steve's Ice Cream" "623-9449" .number "Coca-Cola Bottling" "449-4300" .number "Pepsi" "254-2400" .number "7-Up" "444-3100" .number "White Rock" "442-3910" .number "Bostonian Foods" "787-5020" .group Random .number "your phone number recording" "1-200-555-1212" tells the number of the phone you are calling from .number "CIA" "354-5965" .number "For internal subversion call the FBI at" "742-5533" .number "Secret Service" "223-2728" .number "DoD - Security Division" "426-2831" .number "Major Glynn Parker (Directory, DCA)" "1-202-692-6175" .number "World Trade Center - Observation Deck" "1-212-466-7262" .number "Ambassador Taxi" "876-5600" .number "Yellow Cab" "547-3000" "868-8880" .number "Harvard Sq. Kiosk Display - George Chauncy" "861-3131" .number "Phone-a-Poem" "492-1144" .number "Dial-An-Atheist" "1-312-597-2433" .number "In desperation call Dial-a-Prayer at" "773-4500" .number "National Sports Line" "1-900-976-1313" .number "Dial It number information" "1-900-555-1212" .number "Telephone Repair (dormline)" "dl 181" .number "Taxi (ha)" "3-2301" .number "E M E R G E N C Y (emergency)" "100" .number "Western Union (for mailgrams, etc.)" "482-1818" .number "Change: Machines except Coke" "253-5858" .number "Change: Coke machines" "253-2707" .number "Sal Lauricella, Coke King" "253-2707" .number "Satellite Information" "491-1497" .number "Hayden Planetarium (NYC) Sky Report" "1-212-873-0404" .number "Dial-a-Star and Dial-a-Planet" "491-1497" .number "Voyager Information" "1-213-354-7237" .number "Sunspot Hotline" "1-301-344-8129" .number "Digitalker" "1-408-737-3939" .number "Star Voice" "894-6710" (answering machine with famous voices) .number "NASA News Recording" "1-713-483-6111" .number "Japanese Recorded Sorrow" "011-81-6-556-8730" .number "Mt. Washington Observatory" "1-603-466-3388" .number "Beandorf Information" "1-210-10655-3402##" .number " (wait for low beep)" "*101*-665" .number " (wait ~6 minutes for cislunar relay tone" "6033147-400-45" .number " -" "#555-1212"  5-Sep-82 17:46:26-EDT,380;000000000001 Date: 5 Sep 1982 1539-EDT From: Steve Strassmann Subject: One more pizza place nearby To: info-food at MIT-OZ Stefani's Pizza opened last May halfway between the lab and Toscanini's, and they've got pretty good grinders (R. Beef $2.10/$2.60) I haven't tried the pizza yet. Anyone else know their hours & other relevant numbers? straz ------- 7-Sep-82 06:53:22-EDT,1045;000000000001 Date: Tuesday, 7 September 1982 06:52-EDT Sender: KMP at MIT-OZ From: KMP at MIT-MC To: INFO-FOOD at MIT-OZ Subject: FTP database updated somewhat I updated FTP.EXE and MC:HUMOR;FTP with the stuff that SHSU.HSU put in HLP:FOOD.HLP and with the relevant cruft from that long file of randomness HDT sent. I'm still missing lots of information. Deli Haus is missing hours and cost. Mississippi's is missing hours and cost. Crossroads is missing hours, cost, and a rating -- and does this serve some special kind of food (Italian maybe?). Al Capone's and a few others may be radically out of date, especially with respect to prices. The FTP program now prints out when it thinks the last update was on the entry -- that's the date that comes out when you connect to a site. That may be somewhat helpful in deciding if the info you see is likely to be even close to right. It used to print out the current time when you connected to a site. That information can now be gotten from the TIME command. -kmp ------- 9-Sep-82 01:34:57-EDT,298;000000000001 Date: Thursday, 9 September 1982 01:29-EDT Sender: HDT at MIT-OZ From: HDT at MIT-MC To: info-food at MIT-OZ Kens's in Central Square now no longer has 1/2 price Monday specials. It's dinner menu is now actually a lunch menu. Looks like there new management is a BIG lose. ------- 17-Sep-82 06:52:11-EDT,981;000000000001 Date: 17 September 1982 06:49-EDT From: Kent M. Pitman To: INFO-FOOD at MIT-EECS Latest patches to my FTP program make it make reasonable guesses at sites that it doesn't know the hours for. Default hours are 10am-10pm. During that time, connecting to a site that it doesn't know the hours for will say the site is being debugged. If not during that time, the default is to have the connection fail. If some site fails to respond at a time when you know it's open, please send me mail telling me what its hours are and I'll be glad to update the database. I filled in a partial menu for Mary Chung's. This is the only site with any menu information implemented. I'll add other menu fragments as I get the time and interest. A new command "SITES" is like "NETWORK SHOW" but somewhat easier to type. The NAMELESS-SANDWICH-SHOP-NEXT-TO-TOSCANINIS is now named PAPRIELLE'S. They haven't posted a sign yet, but that's their official name choice. 28-Sep-82 03:20:40-EDT,167;000000000001 Date: 28-Sep-82 03:07:51 From: LS.PSK at MIT-OZ To: info-food at MIT-OZ [This was a failing send] ------- brandy pete's **** moderate price location- subway 7-Oct-82 03:20:27-EDT,597;000000000001 Date: 7 Oct 1982 0314-EDT From: KMP at MIT-OZ Subject: FTP updates To: INFO-FOOD at MIT-OZ MC's :HUMOR;FTP and OZ's FTP.EXE have been updated somewhat. I added 33-DUNSTER-STREET, ONE-POTATO-TWO-POTATO, and ROSIE'S. Also, I dumped out other patches a few days ago which I don't think I announced. If a site has no associated HOURS info, it will be assumed to be up 10am-10pm. If you try to connect and the site is not up, you'll get one of two responses: either it'll tell you when it's expected back up, or it'll get a time out while trying to get the hours. -kmp ------- 9-Oct-82 14:52:43-EDT,488;000000000001 Date: 9 Oct 1982 1449-EDT From: ZZZ.POTAK at MIT-OZ Subject: help.food To: info-food at MIT-EECS I am pleased with the listings, but would like to see a category or flag for the restaurants with meatless entrees. I am interested in this because I eat only kosher food. This means that I seek fish or vegetarian foods. For those eaters of the Islamic faith who do not eat meat at all, this might be useful. Keep up the good work. As always, I am, potak ------- 30-Nov-82 01:41:22-EST,360;000000000001 Date: 30 Nov 1982 0132-EST From: KMP at MIT-OZ Subject: Joyce Chen's To: info-food at MIT-EECS There are new menus. The prices have gone up. My FTP program does not yet reflect the new pricing. I think that most items went up about $0.25 or so making average meal cost be about $0.50 to $1.00 higher depending on how much cruft you order... ------- 5-Dec-82 01:23:01-EST,359;000000000001 Date: 5 Dec 1982 0117-EST From: Potak Greyelven Subject: help food To: info-food at MIT-EECS How about Anthony's Pier 4? That's an excellent restaurant in the same class, I think, with Jimmy's Harborside. I would rate it ****, E+, etc. They do not take reservations, however, and the wait is sometimes long. Potak ------- 13-Mar-83 01:38:37-EST,177;000000000001 Date: 13 Mar 1983 0135-EST From: Drew Harman Subject: food To: info-food at MIT-EECS **** Formaggio's ,good sandwiches, Harvard Square,C+, ------- 15-Mar-83 16:11:59-EST,886;000000000001 Date: 15 Mar 1983 1605-EST From: Steve Strassmann Subject: [Karen A. Prendergast : correction to mlist] To: info-food@MIT-OZ cc: karen@MIT-OZ KAREN is compiling the AI lab mailing list/phone book; you know, those yellow sheets you've seen laying around stamped "DRAFT". I suggested she put Legal's and a few pizzerias and other truly popular phone numbers on the list. Where is the info-food data base? --Steve --------------- Return-path: Mail-From: KAREN created at 14-Mar-83 15:51:58 Date: Monday, 14 March 1983 15:51-EST Sender: KAREN @ MIT-OZ From: Karen A. Prendergast To: Steve Strassmann Subject: correction to mlist In-reply-to: Msg of 13 Mar 1983 21:29-EST from Steve Strassmann Tell me which pizzerias and I'll put them in. ------- 22-Apr-83 17:03:21-EST,518;000000000001 Date: 22 Apr 1983 1659-EST From: Chuck Stern Subject: Bel Canto To: info-food at MIT-EECS I feel that you are unfair in your rating of Bel Canto. I personally find it refreshing to go to a place that does not have pre-manufactured pizzas. Of course, Uno's gets at least four stars. There is a new Uno's open in Allston, at the corner of Harvard Av. and Comm Av. Definitely would be ***** except for the wait, so it should get only 4. --Charles I. Stern-- ------- 7-Jul-83 02:28:42-EDT,319;000000000001 Date: Thursday, July 7, 1983 2:22AM-EDT From: Kent M. Pitman Subject: FTP.EXE To: info-food at MIT-EECS The FTP program that used to reside on my directory on OZ has been moved to SRC: to conserve disk space on PS:. The program is also (still) available on the HUMOR; directory on MC. 14-Jul-83 00:28:01-EDT,412;000000000001 Date: 13 Jul 1983 2353-EDT From: CONRAD@MIT-OZ Subject: Skewers Middle Eastern Restaurant To: info-food@MIT-OZ With so many Falafel fans at MIT I thought that it would be a good idea to add the above-mentioned restaurant which I consider to be the best in its genre. Buon appetito, Conrad. ------- 27-Aug-83 00:19:39-EDT,257;000000000001 Date: Saturday, August 27, 1983 12:16AM-EDT From: John Gillespie Jr. Subject: Please be informed that the finest food is always in CA! To: info-food at MIT-EECS In any case, don't think that this is really the person you think it is. 22-Oct-83 14:38:03-EDT,310;000000000001 Date: Sat 22 Oct 83 14:30:50-EDT From: Dave Braunegg Subject: food.hlp To: info-food@MIT-EECS Please change the name of Johnnie's Harborside to Jimmy's Harborside. By the way, the directory is protected so that randoms (like myself) can not change the files. Is this intended? ------- 26-Oct-83 13:27:33-EDT,505;000000000001 Date: Wed 26 Oct 83 12:56:00-EDT From: KMP@MIT-OZ Subject: Re: food.hlp To: DJB@MIT-OZ cc: info-food@MIT-EECS In-Reply-To: Message from "Dave Braunegg " of Sat 22 Oct 83 14:34:49-EDT You might find the program SRC:FTP more interesting than HELP FOOD anyway. I don't know why HLP: is protected as it is. I updated the source to my FTP program to know about Jimmy's Harborside instead of Johnnie's Harborside. The change will take effect next time I rebuild FTP. ------- 9-Nov-83 20:57:06-EST,394;000000000001 Date: Wed 9 Nov 83 20:49:20-EST From: Dave Braunegg Subject: ftp on OZ To: info-food@MIT-EECS Can you tell me where the data base is kept for ftp on oz? Has anyone tried to finish putting it together? Can you add Stefani's Pizza in Cambridge to HELP FOOD on OZ? Thanks, Dave ------- 10-Nov-83 04:18:00-EST,526;000000000001 Date: Thu 10 Nov 83 04:13:35-EST From: KMP@MIT-OZ Subject: Re: ftp on OZ To: DJB@MIT-OZ cc: info-food@MIT-EECS In-Reply-To: Message from "Dave Braunegg " of Wed 9 Nov 83 20:53:45-EST send data to me and i will merge it into the ftp program. the db lives in one of my directories and i would rather not have it randomly modified by others. at some point when i'm happy with database formats, etc., i may put the db someplace more public and advertise to others how to update it. ------- 2-Jan-84 20:06:21-EST,1271;000000000001 Received: from MIT-MC by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 2 Jan 84 20:03-EST Return-path: Received: from MIT-MC by USC-ECLC; Mon 2 Jan 84 13:35:50-PST Date: 2 January 1984 16:36 EST From: Communications Satellite Subject: Msg of Monday, 2 January 1984 16:35 EST To: JSol @ USC-ECLC Remailed-date: 2 Jan 1984 1531-PST Remailed-from: Jon Solomon Remailed-to: info-food%mit-oz@MIT-MC ============ A copy of your message is being returned, because: ============ "INFO-FOOD" at MIT-MC is an unknown recipient. ============ Failed message follows: ============ Date: 2 Jan 1984 1153-PST From: Jon Solomon Subject: [RMS.G.JAD%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA: The food.hlp file @oz] To: info-food@MIT-MC Return-path: <@MIT-MC:RMS.G.JAD%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC> Received: from MIT-MC by USC-ECLC; Sun 1 Jan 84 14:51:55-PST Date: Sun 1 Jan 84 17:51:03-EST From: RMS.G.JAD%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: The food.hlp file @oz To: jsol%MIT-OZ@MIT-MC.ARPA I noticed that there is a reference to the Boston Sandwich Shop, located in Kendall Square, Cambridge. Unfortunately, this establishment closed last weekend...I didn't want to do the edit myself, being a peon tourist... Happy New Year!/j ------- ------- 15-Feb-84 18:27:20-EST,535;000000000001 Date: 15 Feb 1984 1825-EST From: TA.6001 at MIT-EECS Subject: RECOMMENDED ADDITIONS To: INFO-FOOD at MIT-EECS The best (most authentic, enjoyable, etc.) Mexican food in Boston, the eastern seaboard, and perhaps north of the border can be found at Casa Romero's in the Back Bay about three blocks from the Pru. Their address is a Public Alley, but don't let that disuade you! This is one of the great gastranomic treats this town has to offer. Expensive. If your looking for Taco Bell East, go to Chi-Chi's. ------- 11-Mar-84 13:41:59-EST,215;000000000001 Date: 11 March 1984 13:38-EST From: Kent M Pitman To: info-food @ MIT-EECS Looks like One Potato Two Potato (in Harvard Square) has gone out of business. I'm removing it from the FTP database. 11-Mar-84 17:24:50-EST,515;000000000001 Date: Sun 11 Mar 84 17:18-EST From: Kent M Pitman Subject: New FTP To: info-food@MIT-EECS GAMES:FTP.EXE on OZ and :HUMOR;FTP on MC are now running a new version. I flushed Boston Sandwich Shop and One Potato Two Potato which have gone out of business, added a menu for Uno's (the BITE command actually affects it!), installed Uno's sites in Framingham and Allston, added the other Stefani's, updated some phone numbers and addresses. The program also now takes JCL of a site to connect to. 4-May-84 17:15:10-EDT,408;000000000001 Mail-From: SE.HUCK created at 4-May-84 17:15:01 Date: Fri 4 May 84 17:15:00-EDT From: Harley E. Davis Subject: Parker House. To: info-food@MIT-EECS The Parker House is easily a 5 star, especially considering you gave JC Hillary's 5, which is certainly a travesty of justice. Ever go to the Parker House for Sunday brunch? Best meal in Boston, and probably the world. ------- 14-May-84 14:40:45-EDT,198;000000000001 Date: Mon 14 May 84 13:08:45-EDT From: Steve Strassmann Subject: Most depressing store sign To: info-food@MIT-OZ Java Cuisine on Mass Ave: "Sorry, we never change". ------- 1-Jun-84 14:53:21-EDT,919;000000000001 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 1984 14:46 EDT Message-ID: From: Steve Strassmann To: info-food@MIT-OZ, suggestions@MIT-OZ I'm not sure who to send this to, but this seems like an appropriate list. Please forward this to anyone who might be interested. While in the Hyatt the other day, I frobbed the computer in their lobby which displayed all sorts of info for tourists on its touch-sensitive screen. They let you peruse categories like local sights, restaurants, museums, etc. I got hardcopy of their movie theater list (~26 local theaters) and I just typed them in and saved them as OZ:theater.txt. The listing includes address and phone number. I wonder if somebody wants to modify FTP to let you check out the shows, too. Any takers? Of course, feel free to correct or add to the file (I'm not bad, but I'm not the world's best typist). 1-Jun-84 16:33:50-EDT,913;000000000001 Date: Fri 1 Jun 84 15:54:38-EDT From: KMP@MIT-OZ To: STRAZ@MIT-OZ cc: info-food@MIT-OZ, suggestions@MIT-OZ In-Reply-To: Message from "Steve Strassmann " of Fri 1 Jun 84 15:02:16-EDT FTP is a privately maintained program and I would appreciate it if people didn't send messages asking for volunteers to modify it. Anyway, I suggest that FTP is the wrong format for looking at movies since people will not agree on the categories and since movie houses vary in the style of movie they show (unlike restaurants which do not vary in the kind of food they offer). Hence, you'd almost always want to see all available movie info, while FTP works hard to show you only a little at a time. For movies, I think you'd be better off just keeping a central file someplace up to date (though since we have no software source of current info, I suggest you'd find this pretty hard). ------- 7-Jul-84 22:14:01-EDT,689;000000000000 Mail-From: MITE.MKW created at 7-Jul-84 22:14:00 Date: Sat 7 Jul 84 22:13:59-EDT From: Mark K. Wintersmith Subject: MISLEADING INFO To: INFO-FOOD@MIT-EECS I'm sorry to inform you that you are seriously mistaken on your ratings of Lobdell and Pritchett's food. Lobdell 'not to be missed' as stated by your 5 star rating was wholly incorrect. I would enjoy missing the food there!!!! Come on, don't be lenient with the food facilities simply because they are extension of the MIT campus. I would hope that in the future you would pay more attention to the things which you are rating. Sincerely, Mark K. Wintersmith (MITES) ------- 7-Jul-84 22:24:00-EDT,366;000000000000 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 1984 22:20 EDT Message-ID: From: SAZ@MIT-OZ To: INFO-FOOD@MIT-EECS Subject: MISLEADING INFO In-reply-to: Msg of 7 Jul 1984 22:13-EDT from Mark K. Wintersmith Please remove my name from this mailing list after explaining to me how it got there in the first place. David Saslav 10-Aug-84 09:59:18-EDT,599;000000000000 Date: Fri 10 Aug 84 09:56:22-EDT From: Dave Braunegg Subject: two additions To: INFO-FOOD@MIT-EECS I made the following additions to OZ:PS:FOOD.HLP. Note that they also involve adding two new categories to the listing. Indian: **** Kebabish of Lahore (MA-) C (friendly service) Pastry: ***** Mike's Pastry (Hanover St. North End) C I think that the omission of Indian restaurants from the list is a grievous mistake, now partially rectified. Thanks, Dave ------- 10-Aug-84 14:49:00-EDT,247;000000000000 Date: Fri, 10 Aug 1984 14:49 EDT Message-ID: From: SAZ@MIT-OZ To: info-food@MIT-EECS Cc: rh@MIT-EECS Please take me off this mailing list. This is the second time I've had to ask. Thank you. dmjs 17-Aug-84 13:08:27-EDT,1260;000000000000 Date: 17 Aug 1984 13:04 EDT (Fri) Message-ID: From: "Bonnie J. Dorr" To: info-food@MIT-EECS Cc: bonnie@MIT-OZ, djb@MIT-OZ Subject: trash bisuteki Objection to Bisuteki: I've been there a few times (long before I came to MIT, so maybe it's changed in the last two years or so) and it stinks. It's a crummy imitation of Benihana of Tokyo. The portions are small. It's expensive and the service (all three times I went there) is unbearably slow. I give it one star at the most. Benihana of Tokyo should be on the list with the ratings that Bisuteki got. However, it is near Arlington Station, so it's a longer walk from MIT (I'm not sure how you would encode this location with the limited legend symbols). I have lived in and around Boston all my life, so when I get the chance, I'll add a bunch more to the list, flame at some others that are already on the list (don't have the time to do this now, but I just couldn't let the Bisuteki one go on any longer -- it's outratgeous), and wait for fellow flamers to attack my critiques. This is fun! Can we open up the Bisuteki critique for discussion, or should I just change it and wait for someone to yell at me? Bonnie@Oz 3-Oct-84 09:03:48-EDT,486;000000000000 Date: Wed 3 Oct 84 09:02:01-EDT From: Dave Braunegg Subject: additions To: INFO-FOOD@MIT-EECS I made the following additions to FOOD.HLP on OZ: *** Stefani's (Main St.) C+ T (491-7823) ***** Herrel's (HS) C+ T (*Steve* Herrel) **** Imperial Tea Palace (Chinatown) M (excellent dimsum) Legal's has takeout ** F&T Deli (KS) C+ (547-3674) Also, I added a few phone numbers. Dave ------- 3-Oct-84 16:13:23-EDT,684;000000000000 Mail-From: SE.WWONG created at 3-Oct-84 16:13:18 Date: Wed 3 Oct 84 16:13:18-EDT From: SE.WWONG@MIT-EECS Subject: Jade Terrace Restaurant To: info-food@MIT-EECS cc: se.wwong@MIT-EECS There is a new Cantonese restaurant across the street from Peking Duck (just before Central Square) that is extremely good. Lunch is very good, portions are very good and it comes to about $5.00 including the tip!!! Dinner is more expensive, though, coming to at least $9.00. Why am I sending this? Simply because the restaurant is excellent but is having problems attracting people and it is the only Cantonese restaurant in Central Sq. Wilson Wong wwong@xx ------- 5-Jun-85 21:14:24-EDT,233;000000000000 Date: Wed 5 Jun 85 21:09:53-EDT From: Michael Eisenberg Subject: addition to oz:food.hlp To: info-food@MIT-EECS I added a rating for the Coffee Connection under the "general" category. - Mike ------- 5-Jun-85 21:40:53-EDT,213;000000000000 Date: Wed 5 Jun 85 21:40:03-EDT From: David M. J. Saslav Subject: please remove me from this mailing list. To: info-food@MIT-EECS I thought I'd been removed long ago... dave saslav ------- 5-Jun-85 21:45:53-EDT,246;000000000000 Date: Wed 5 Jun 85 21:45:51-EDT From: David M. J. Saslav Subject: never mind To: info-food@MIT-EECS someone put my name back on the local oz info-food list. I assume yours currently just points to i-f@oz... saz ------- 26-Aug-85 22:58:25-EDT,2182;000000000000 Received: from GODOT.THINK.COM by MIT-MC.ARPA 26 Aug 85 22:55:12 EDT Received: from jehosephat by GODOT.THINK.COM via CHAOS; Mon, 26 Aug 85 22:55:09 edt Date: Mon, 26 Aug 85 22:55 EDT From: Steve Strassmann Subject: Fish info from a native Japanese To: info-food%ee@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-Id: <850826225556.8.STRAZ@JEHOSEPHAT.THINK.COM> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 85 00:54:30 edt From: Mitsuo Saito To: garden@MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU Subject: Fish markets in Boston area Good fish markets list Rocky Neck Seafood 343 chelsea St. East Boston 617-567-2970 Japanese seafood, you can ask them in Japanese. Tuna, Hirame, Seabass, Uni, Akagai, Ika, Tako, Hamachi, Katsuo, etc. Somerville Seafood 389 somerville Ave. Somerville 617-623-8222 Portigie Seafood, very funny and fat master. Their fish is always fresh, most of fishes can eat as Sashimi if master says it fresh. Fresh squid, Sweat Shrimp, Katsuo, Tai, Aji, Saba, etc Bay state Lobster Co. 279 Commercial St. Boston 617-523-7960 Lobster only, but cheap and fresh. Neptune Lobster & Seafood Co. 88 Sleeper St. Boston 426-0961 Lobster and Crab ( in winter ) Giuffre's Fish Market 50 Salem Boston 523-8541 Italian Seafood Expensive, but reliable Fresh Pond Seafood Tuna, You should examine carefully. Sometimes not fresh enough, but sometimes very good and cheap. Heartland Food and Ware Very cheap, but you should examine. Sometimes, you can get tuna at $3/lb. Information about fish: Butter fish: Very good for Shioyaki. Squid: Choose big one, and if it is fresh enough, try ikasomen by cutting thin. Pollock: Good for Nabe. Swordfish: Expensive but not very good for Japanese. Octpus: Sold in raw, just boil. Not very good as Japanese one. purch: Good for fry or Nabe. Bluefish: Resemble to Mackerel. Musselle: Good for boil with salt, seasoning, and scallion. Cherrystone: Resemble to Hamaguri, but choose smaller one. Big one is bittter. Etc, etc, there are a lot of fishes or fish markets, I've never tried. Find and enjoy yourself and add to this list. Good luck! 12-Sep-85 13:15:55-EDT,223;000000000000 Mail-From: SE.HERB created at 12-Sep-85 13:15:52 Date: Thu 12 Sep 85 13:15:52-EDT From: SE.HERB@MIT-EECS Subject: another restaurant To: info-food@MIT-EECS cc: se.herb@MIT-EECS *** Jade Terrace (CS) M- T? ------- 30-Nov-85 11:46:57-EST,424;000000000000 Received: from MIT-DUANE by MIT-OZ via Chaosnet; 30 Nov 85 11:42-EST Date: Sat, 30 Nov 85 11:42 EST From: David M. J. Saslav Subject: sentence of the day To: info-food@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU cc: Rickl@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU, saz@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <851130114205.1.SAZ@DUANE.AI.MIT.EDU> Rick Lathrop, selling me on the idea of accepting a handful of his goobers: "Proteins are high peanuts!" saz 23-Jan-86 18:02:18-EST,662;000000000000 Received: from OZ.AI.MIT.EDU by DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 23 Jan 86 18:02-EST Date: Thu 23 Jan 86 18:05:32-EST From: "David M. J. Saslav" Subject: New idea in eating out To: info-food@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <12177627462.21.SAZ@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> Has anyone heard of this new group of restaurants around Boston (approx 70 of them, I hear) who have a deal wherein you pay $25 receive a card which entitles you to two entrees for the price of one at any of the places in the guild, provided you use the card 10 times a year? I shall begin an investigation of this and report the results to this list... saz ------- 4-Feb-86 14:47:32-EST,510;000000000000 Received: from OZ.AI.MIT.EDU by DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 4 Feb 86 14:47-EST Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1986 13:37 EST Message-ID: From: ELIZABETH@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU To: info-food@DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU Subject: food.hlp changes Added: Jade Terrace Bartley's Changed name on Colleen's to Royal East and added comment about portion size declining: last time I ate there I ordered orange chicken and the portion was about half or 2/3 what is used to be. 1-Apr-86 21:40:28-EST,838;000000000000 Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 1 Apr 86 21:40-EST Received: from MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 1 Apr 86 20:39:10 EST Received: by MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU (5.31/4.8) id AA03696; Tue, 1 Apr 86 20:40:17 EST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 86 20:40:17 EST From: Steve Strassmann Message-Id: <8604020140.AA03696@MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU> To: info-food%ee@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: [KCoppola@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA: Mexican restaurant] Any suggestions? Also, my memory is rusty. How do I access the info-food database from our vax? Date: Tue, 1 Apr 86 18:32 EST From: KCoppola@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: Mexican restaurant .....this is official business....believe it or not! Does anyone have a recommendation for a good local Mexican restaurant.... with take out or catering? K. 7-Sep-86 17:42:44-EDT,2458;000000000000 Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 7 Sep 86 17:42-EDT Received: from MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 7 Sep 86 17:45:57 EDT Received: by MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU (5.31/4.8) id AA25284; Sun, 7 Sep 86 17:43:38 EDT Date: Sun, 7 Sep 86 17:43:38 EDT From: Steve Strassmann Message-Id: <8609072143.AA25284@MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU> To: info-food%ee@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Fish recommendations from an authority Date: Fri, 5 Sep 86 14:42:30 EDT From: Kenji Taima To: browne, monica@oz, nippon, straz Subject: fish market list... For those who have gotten here in Boston and love fish ; Go today and enjoy sushi, sashimi and yami-nabe whatever. All you have to do is just to invite kenji. Here is the list. -------- Good fish markets list Rocky Neck Seafood 343 chelsea St. East Boston 617-567-2970 Japanese seafood, you can ask them in Japanese. Tuna, Hirame, Seabass, Uni, Akagai, Ika, Tako, Hamachi, Katsuo, etc. Somerville Seafood 389 somerville Ave. Somerville 617-623-8222 Portigie Seafood, very funny and fat master. Their fish is always fresh, most of fishes can eat as Sashimi if master says it fresh. Fresh squid, Sweat Shrimp, Katsuo, Tai, Aji, Saba, etc Bay state Lobster Co. 279 Commercial St. Boston 617-523-7960 Lobster only, but cheap and fresh. Neptune Lobster & Seafood Co. 88 Sleeper St. Boston 426-0961 Lobster and Crab ( in winter ) Giuffre's Fish Market 50 Salem Boston 523-8541 Italian Seafood Expensive, but reliable Fresh Pond Seafood Tuna, You should examine carefully. Sometimes not fresh enough, but sometimes very good and cheap. Heartland Food and Ware Very cheap, but you should examine. Sometimes, you can get tuna at $3/lb. Information about fish: Butter fish: Very good for Shioyaki. Squid: Choose big one, and if it is fresh enough, try ikasomen by cutting thin. Pollock: Good for Nabe. Swordfish: Expensive but not very good for Japanese. Octpus: Sold in raw, just boil. Not very good as Japanese one. purch: Good for fry or Nabe. Bluefish: Resemble to Mackerel. Musselle: Good for boil with salt, seasoning, and scallion. Cherrystone: Resemble to Hamaguri, but choose smaller one. Big one is bittter. Etc, etc, there are a lot of fishes or fish markets, I've never tried. Find and enjoy yourself and add to this list. Good luck! 16-Oct-86 01:34:20-EDT,4803;000000000000 Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 16 Oct 86 01:34-EDT Received: from MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 16 Oct 86 01:35:06 EDT Received: by MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU (5.51/4.8) id AA25412; Thu, 16 Oct 86 01:33:18 EDT Date: Thu, 16 Oct 86 01:33:18 EDT From: Steve Strassmann Message-Id: <8610160533.AA25412@MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU> To: info-food%ee@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: well done capitalism is rare >From RISKS@SRI-CSL ------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15-Oct-1986 1530 To: risks@csl.sri.com Subject: Is Bours(e)in on the Menu? From: minow%regent.DEC@decwrl.DEC.COM (Martin Minow, DECtalk Engineering ML3-1/U47 223-9922) BEAR MARKET MEANS BARGAIN FOR DINERS By Paul Lewis (reprinted without permission from the New York Times News Service) PARIS - The two hungry diners sat down, turned expectantly to a flickering computer screen on a nearby stand and began studying the latest quotations. The news seemed ominous. Making money would not be easy in today's luncheon market. The scene was La Connivence, a small new bistro-style restaurant at 6 Rue Feydeau, a stone's throw from the Paris Bourse, or stock exchange. As with stocks on the exchange, the laws of supply and demand determine the price diners at La Connivence pay for a meal. (The name, La Connivence, means complicity, with the slightly shady overtones appropriate for a gambling den of sorts.) As patrons place their orders in the austere ground-floor dining room, one of the owners, Jean-Claude Trastour, enters them into a computer which promptly adjusts the menu prices to reflect demand. Popular dishes, like popular stocks, go up in price while less popular ones decline. Timorous diners may choose to pay the quoted price for a dish at the moment they order it. That is called eating on the march comptant, or cash market. If the price rises while these diners are tucking in, they have done very well for themselves. If the price falls, they get indigestion. It is the safe way to eat - safe and dull. More adventurous folks play the futures market, the march a terme, agreeing to pay the price quoted when they call for the check at the end of their meal. Naturally, they hope the price will have fallen by that fateful moment. But hopes may be dashed by a flurry of buying, and the price may easily shoot up. Worse indigestion. The newly seated diners began preparing their gambling strategy by reading the trends. They saw that the prices of several dishes had already fallen by close to 6 francs--the limit for price changes up or down in any one eating-trading session. (A dollar is worth about 7 francs.) That left little room for further decline. There would be no point in ordering any of those dishes, no matter how delectable--unless, of course, the diner was more interested in eating than in successful speculation. The computer screen flashed chute du filet mignon, indicating that the price of that choice steak had already fallen 5 francs, to 50 francs a serving. A veal casserole with herbs had slipped 4 francs, to 48 francs. A rack of lamb chops for two, down 10 francs, was priced to sell for 110 francs a serving. As for the haddock, the computer reported a "sharp fall" of 5 francs a portion, to 57 francs. Other dishes were doing better. The screen showed that a "stampede" of orders for lotte had pushed the price of that pleasant Mediterranean fish up 4 francs to 62 francs a portion, making it an interesting speculation. If diners played the forward market, the price might be substantially lower when the time came to pay; of course, it could still rise another 2 francs before reaching the 6 francs ceiling. Occasionally, a diner's greed is outweighed by the thought of what he would have to eat to turn a profit. An example: "Victorious advance of the stuffed pigs' trotter," the computer flashed, marking it up 5 francs, to 43 francs. Surely it could only fall. But a lunch of pigs' feet? In the end, the diners chose a conservative strategy, ordering the special of the day, saddle of lamb, on the marche a terme. The lamb was trading at 39 francs a portion; up a modest 2 francs for the day thus far. The check arrived for the conservative diners: 228 francs for two, which is pretty good by Paris standards since it included a bottle of Beaujolais, a cheese-filled ravioli from the French Alps for a starter, homemade apple tart, and coffee. But the roast saddle of lamb stood at 38 francs, only a meager 1 franc cheaper than when it was ordered. Down the street, the Bourse was having one of its best days ever. 18-Mar-87 23:08:34-EST,2413;000000000000 Return-Path: <@MC.LCS.MIT.EDU:straz@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> Received: from MC.LCS.MIT.EDU by DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet with SMTP; 18 Mar 87 23:08-EST Received: from MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU (TCP 2225200002) by MC.LCS.MIT.EDU 18 Mar 87 23:14:36 EST Received: by MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU (5.54/4.8) id AA24947; Wed, 18 Mar 87 23:09:54 EST Date: Wed, 18 Mar 87 23:09:54 EST From: Steve Strassmann Message-Id: <8703190409.AA24947@MEDIA-LAB.MIT.EDU> To: info-food%ee@mc.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Yuccchhh! From: brian@apollo.uucp (Brian R. Holt) Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking Subject: Bon appetit! Escargot with a twist Date: 19 Mar 87 00:36:00 GMT Forwarded from a private mailing list. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Flames to /dev/null (as seen in 3/16's chronicle [page 3]) Monte Rio, Sonoma County The village leaders of Monte Rio were rounded up yesterday and obliged to eat what is probably nature's most disgusting creature. The sheriff, judge, prosecutor and radio disk jockey were herded into town and fed the slimy, spineless lumps of yellowish protoplasm known as banana slugs. It was all done under the civilized veneer of the annual slug recipe contest. "It's got this sort of slimy, sort of rubbery feeling going down," gulped radio KREO deejay Bonnie Kaye. She was speaking of the winning entry in the dessert catagory - Strawberry Almond Slug Shortcake. The shortcake baker, Samantha Roth, had evidently found her creative metier, for she also took first in the entree catagory with Szechuan Slug Rolls. The best appetizer was concocted by chef Julie Weiner, whose Naughty Nachos offered a tasteful blend of slug and guacamole. The winner in the catagory of most topical dish stuffed slug into squid and called it "Surf and Turf on a Calamari Condom". "I know that's not in good taste," acknowledged Sonoma County Supervisor Ernie Carpenter, who maderated the tasting, "but neither is anything else here." =========================== [ There's more, but I can't go on.... Yeeeeeeeeetch... ] -- UUCP: ... {mit-erl, mit-eddie, yale, uw-beaver, decvax!wanginst}!apollo!brian Internet: apollo!brian@eddie.mit.edu NETel: Apollo: 617-256-6600 x7611 home: 617-332-3073 Faerie: 617-964-8938 USPS: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford MA home: 29 Trowbridge St. Newton MA 15-May-87 12:43:32-EDT,400;000000000000 Mail-From: T.MORGAN created at 15-May-87 12:43:31 Date: Fri 15 May 87 12:43:31-EDT From: Michael D. Monegan Subject: coleen's To: info-food@DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <12302600604.34.T.MORGAN@DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU> It should be noted that coleen's is now Royal East. RE is open till 11:00 but has an exallent lunch menu. --Mike Monegan ------- 10-Oct-87 22:24:39-EDT,1863;000000000000 Received: from ZAXXON.MEDIA.MIT.EDU by DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU via Chaosnet; 10 Oct 87 22:24-EDT Date: Sat, 10 Oct 87 22:25 EDT From: Steve Strassmann Subject: Japanese junk food To: info-food@DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <871010222538.3.STRAZ@ZAXXON.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> This is excerpted from a discussion on info-japan@mc on Japanese lifesyles. By the way, I had Steve's Ice Cream in Shibuya, and it was pretty good. -steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: tmii@mcnc.org (Toshio Mii) Organization: Microelectronics Center of NC; RTP, NC Subject: Re: Real life in Japan References: To: info-japan@mc.lcs.mit.edu > What do people eat? Do Japanese eat junk food? Are there natural > food fanatics in Japan? I don't think there are lot of Japanese people who refuse to eat meat. At least, my friends don't. However, there are a lot of people who can't stand having a meal without a bowl of rice. They don't feel like they ate something without rice. YES, there are a lot of junk food. If you consider instant food as junk food, I think the junk food in Japan are a lot better than the TV dinners here. Instant food like cup noodles, ramen, Bon-curry (3 min. curry) are pretty good, I think. By the way, there are McDonald's, Wendy's, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Arby's, Dairy Queen's, Hardee's, Pizza Hut, Shakey's, Domino's Pizza(they deliver on scooters), Mister Donuts, Dunkin Doughnuts in Japan. Do you call these junk food, too? Other American food places are; Red Lobster, Denny's, Shoney's(Big Boy), Victoria Station, Baskin Robin's, Hagen Daaz, Swenson's, Steve's, I am sure I missed some, but believe me there a lot of American food places. Japanese just love them. 31-Mar-88 18:07:57-EST,532;000000000000 Mail-From: LE.ZETE created at 31-Mar-88 18:07:56 Date: Thu 31 Mar 88 18:07:56-EST From: Christopher A. Cook Subject: new entry? To: info-food@DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU Message-ID: <12386818811.24.LE.ZETE@DEEP-THOUGHT.MIT.EDU> Is George and Nick's the same as Nick's Steakhouse? If not you should add it. They have pretty good steak and chicken relatively cheap. It's on Mass Ave in central square I'd rate it *** note all meals come with salad and bread and average cost is $4-5. -------