Date: Wed, 19 Jun 91 00:32:08 -0400 From: mfy@sli.com (Mike Yoder) Message-Id: <9106190432.AA07743@ravel.sli.com> To: carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: guilds The following is fact and inference from "The Armorial Bearings of the Guilds of London" by John Bromley & Heather Child. (The book is *really* good.) Confirmation or disconfirmation of these theses is sought from people with other sources. It seems likely that our notion of "apprentice, journeyman, master" as three stages of skill is wrong. "Master" denoted the head of the guild, chosen by election. There were only two statuses which were skill-related: you were an apprentice (not yet a guild member), or you were a guild member and entitled to make your living by working within the guild's purview. You might be admitted by doing a "master piece" and having it judged by the appropriate people, which I'd guess would be the Wardens (see the following). But I know of no evidence for gradations according to skill once you were in the Company. From other sources I believe it was also common to simply purchase guild membership, which was most useful if you also purchased the status of Master so as to get a position on the Common Council of London. So it would be entirely period for a Master to have less skill than an apprentice! The archetypical London guild seems to have worked as follows. The members elected four officials, usually a Master and three Wardens, which regulated the craft and also were the representatives of the guild at Common Council. The Wardens (and Master, presumably) had the responsibility of enforcing guild standards, perhaps by inspecting members' work. I assume they also had a hand in deciding when to admit new members (e.g., from the ranks of apprentices, or from immigrants). The Guilds were usually officially titled the "Company of X." They were usually referred to, however, as the "Worshipful Company of X," which appellation nevertheless is not officially part of their name. (It also has no religious connotations: see the latest TI.) Charters often refer to "The Master, Wardens, and Commonality of X" or some such phrasing (there is a fair amount of variation). They sometimes had charters, sometimes not. Sometimes, as with the Pewterers, their authority to inspect goods extended throughout England, but more often their purview was restricted to a distance of ten miles from London, or three miles, or whatever. There were only three period methods of making arms for a London guild. Either the arms referred to religion (e.g., were suggestive of a patron saint), or they referred to the craft in some way, or (you guessed it) they combined religious references with references to the craft. Guilds could merge, split, or become defunct; they could assume a charter or take a new one, and sometimes guilds had subordinate positions to other guilds. Sometimes the joined guilds would impale their old arms. They were very specialized compared to our guilds -- with some exceptions, e.g., the Worshipful Company of Musicians, called in their charter the Master, Wardens and Commonalty of the Art or Science of the Musicians of London. Note that it seems to be period to be uncertain whether to call something an Art or Science. :-) (This grant was in 1604, not quite Corpora-period.) There were frequent struggles over who regulated what or over other issues; my favorite was the argument between the Worshipful Company of Painter-Stainers and the College of Arms over who regulated the painting of shields of arms, and whether the Company could paint such devices independently of the College. An example of specialization: there were two kinds of bakers, White Bakers and Brown Bakers, each restricted by an article of their craft to baking only white or brown bread respectively. The Brown Bakers struggled against the White Bakers' attempts to absorb them, and "emphasized their independence by the acquisition of their own coat of arms on 28th June 1572." However, in 1645 the two merged by joint agreement. The book has many, many more interesting details in it. Enjoy, Franz ------- Date: Wed, 19 Jun 91 13:59:14 -0400 From: mfy@sli.com (Mike Yoder) Message-Id: <9106191759.AA09983@ravel.sli.com> To: carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: hasty clarification I have realized upon rereading my post on guilds that a clarification is needed if I wish to not look ignorant. I realize there is a difference between Master (the title) and master, the role, but this isn't evident from what I wrote. It *is* true that upon becoming jouneyman, a craftsman then worked to become a master. The OED gives many definitions of the latter; what I'd like to know is if any definition used in period was a status requiring a test of some kind. I suspect not; my impression is that the transition was a matter of economics, i.e., you became a master (one who hires apprentices and journeymen) when you had enough capital. A master would often be more experienced under such a system than a "mere" journeyman, but this wouldn't imply formal requirements. One definition of "master" in the OED says that it meant a person who was "qualified" by virtue of skill and experience to have subordinate apprentices and journeymen, but doesn't say that these qualifications were a formal thing decided upon by the guild. Another source (I omitted to write its name down, but can get it) indicated that becoming a master could make one a "full" member of a guild, but gave no direct citations to support this. This source was talking about medieval guilds in general, not just London guilds, and wasn't claiming this was a universal guild custom. As usual, details are frustratingly elusive when you deal with these things... it might also be that different guilds had different customs. Again, any related info people have would be welcome. In service to Carolingia, Franz ----- Date: Mon, 1 Jul 91 00:45:17 -0400 From: mfy@sli.com (Mike Yoder) Message-Id: <9107010445.AA08500@ravel.sli.com> To: carolingia@bloom-beacon.mit.edu Subject: guilds Greetings to all Carolingians from Franz, who wishes you well. I've read more about medieval guilds... the info could be useful to you guildfolk out there. I'm working from memory, and so will only include details I'm pretty sure about. Guilds had two to four Wardens; a few (the Mercers, one or two others) styled their Master "Prime Warden." Some named their Wardens and gave them particular duties, e.g. "Swan Warden" for a guild (the Mercers also, I think) that had the right to keep a flock of swans on the Thames. Some (most? all?) guilds had a "Beadle," a general assistant to the Master and Wardens with a distinctive uniform. The only specific duty I remember is that he had to try to get the members to show up for meetings. The "Assistants" of a guild were a consultative body formed of ex-Masters and ex-Wardens. Yearly duties performed for (or fees given to) the monarch were, I think, the exception rather than the rule, but they certainly occurred. As to journeymen and masters, I've not got a handle on how the London guilds dealt with them, but it is clear that there was large regional variation across Europe. One German system had six ranks; a requirement for attaining one of them was that you had to wander for a specified period of time! In service, Franz