Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 07/10/95 The meeting was called to order at 19:30 by ghudson. In attendance were Voting members: rjbarbal shabby jered cat ghudson rshah marthag hartmans nocturne tlyu sorokin dcctdw | djib jhawk yonah beaners Associate members: jtkohl mwhitson mhpower srz sgw jweiss | eichin wesommer marc Non-voting members: Prospectives: nathanw mwp sipb7 sipb1 ladyada@gnu.ai jemorris mtbear jasonh quijote aragorn 9775tpowe@umbsky.cc.umb.edu Guests: Secretary's Gratuitous Pre-meeting Comment: Jessie's going to buy a motorcycle! Treasurer's Report: marthag: talked with lorraine, everything's all set up for the end of the last fiscal year, and we just about exactly spent our budget. We came within ~$100. Go buy things! Chairman's Report: *beginning of long discussion marthag: I'd like to bring up the SIPB temporary guest accounts. I sent out mail that hopefully was read by people. It's about how to change guest accounts stuff. 1) Send out appropriate email whenever an account is checked out or in. This was helpful in a certain case with permanent guest accounts (where we already send such mail) in the past. 2) Making sure to have valid address, etc. on accounts. 3) There should be a warning that SIPB could revoke the account without warning. hartmans: Basically I have no problem with us revoking accounts, but I think a decision should be made. Except in very exceptional cases, we should not change the password while we're deciding to revoke the account. marthag: The only question comes when, for example, someone randomly destroys AFS servers maliciously and gets a sipbn account. Taking away the access temporarily will give us time to discuss the problem. sorokin: In addition to giving us time, it makes it somewhat less irrevocable a change, if they're using the account for file storage. Maybe we should ask them to tell us that they have not had a previous account revoked for cause, at least go that far. sgw: Our tourist machine is maintained with "if you do something bad, we'll turn off your account, and then sort things out" as the policy. hartmans: Basically, IS does not do this, except in very rare cases. They'll almost always try to talk to the person beforehand before suspending the account. Academic computing policies recommend looking at the issues, talking to the person, before you suspend the account. srz: Athena treats accounts as a right, and we've set account shells to the problem account shell (which tells the user to come to the office) in the past. mhpower: Generally I think what Martha suggested is a good thing. It'd probably be reasonable to just have mail on checking out accounts. SIPB really doesn't have any way to eliminate someone's account... marthag: One other thing, when we give out any of our accounts, both temporary and permanent guest accounts, we never recommend to people they read the Athena rules of use, we should do that. sorokin: Slightly unrelated, there was once a time when if you got a sipb guest account, they couldn't easily change the password. sipb5 changed his password. jweiss: It was my impression that passwd was aliased to "please don't change the password on this account" on those... [they are, some people run /usr/athena/bin/passwd] marthag: I move [the first thing], that real contact information be gotten for an account if at all possible, and that sipbn account recipients be informed about the possibility of the account being revoked and be told to read the Athena Rules of Use. jhawk: I think the bit about contact information is current policy; if people don't set it, they're being lame. You can check periodically to find when a new account is allocated. rjbarbal: Friendly amendment to split the motion. Accepted. marthag: First motion, to send mail to the appropriate place (to be defined) when a sipbn account is checked in/out. 16-2-1+sgw. marthag: Second motion, to require people to give real contact info if at all possible when receiving a sipbn account. 13-3-4+sgw. marthag: Third motion, when someone's granted a guest account, they should be told the account can be deactivated without warning for appropriate cause at the SIPB's discretion. Also, we should tell them to read the Rules of Use. hartmans: Would you accept whoever's suggestion as an amendment to ask if the recipient has had an athena account revoked for cause in the past? Accepted. So, the warning, the rules of use, and the question are in this motion now. 14-1-2+sgw *eod marthag: Changes in the permanent account thing. I move that we ask the question above and tell them to read the Athena Rules of Use. jhawk: I don't think this should be a motion or standing rule of the SIPB, it should just be done. beaners: I disagree. many-1-4+sgw. Office Report: ghudson: It's been noted by Sal and others that quiche-lorraine is having some serious trouble being usable under either Linux or NetBSD. I'd like to take comments on the idea of scrapping keesh for spare parts when we get the dual-Pentium(R). jhawk: I'd like to remind you the dual-Pentium(R) isn't expected to stay here for more than a year. rshah: It means removing the Linux build machine... ghudson: the second part would be limekiller becoming a linux build machine and sitting where quiche is now. jweiss: Does the question of ownership of quiche-lorraine affect this issue? ghudson: We'd probably have to leave the case lying around somewhere. Video card is ours... etc. I haven't heard any objection to this yet. jweiss: To my knowledge the only 1/4" tape drive in the office is in keesh. marthag: Any way to simply fix it? eichin: I'd suggest there aren't that many salvageable parts in it. sorokin: I think it'd be worth it for the desk space alone. wesommer: What sort of problems has it been having? ghudson talks about what's wrong briefly. jhawk: I am under the impression keesh could be fixed. Table the discussion? 6-10-not counted. shabby: How about making it an OS/2 machine? ghudson: Sounds like we need to discuss this offline. jered: We have RT's. We have had RT's for a while, we were told something would become of them, will something become of them, or will they be leaving soon? sgw: On that same topic, seems like every time I've gone off to make milo accessible and usable, someone shoves stuff in front of it. I kind of like milo, and I'd like to be able to get to it. Please keep it available. jered: My naming proposal for docking stations. We'll vote on a list of names. sorokin: I'd like to suggest that we make this an actual vote, we give everyone a number of names they can vote for. I'd like to hear funky-winkerbean also be explained. jered: it's off the list, actually. jweiss: I'd like a restatement of the motion. jered: I move we vote on these names and if more than half of the present voting members approve of a name, it becomes a name that has been approved. mhpower: beaners: it seems like a useless motion to me, since we only need four names to allocate as docking ports. jweiss: The wording of your motion excludes associate members, I'd ... friendly amendment accepted to allow all to vote. Let's just go for a number of hostnames we'll accept and put them in the host table. jweiss: I'd like to make a friendly amendment to decide that we'd like to have 3 hostnames, and we vote on all of those and ... jered: declined. srz: Let's just vote on them and accept the top 8. Accepted. jered: Many of them have shorter cnames suggested. sorokin: I'd like to call the question. rjbarbal: I think it's only necessary to ask for yes votes. ghudson: no, if machines receive less yes votes than no votes they don't go in the nametable. The motion to vote is voted on. many-3-sgw. The names: l-h-putgrass 7-8 frank-jones 3-more .turnip-twaddler 16-4 .reynelda 14-2 .bart-savagewood 12-4 .w-a-thornhump-iii 12-4 .general-dink 10-9 .planet-zorp 10-5 .zygorthian-raiders 11-6 .zygorthian-death-ray 10-6 .hottentots 10-6 .bobbi-harlow 9-5 edith-drock 8-8 mary-lou-mcderp 6-7 lizzie-blackhead 5-6 zygort-death-ship 3-more alf-mushpie 5-8 stormee 8-8 srz: I move we drop hottentots and zygorthian-death-ray. Seconded. pass. shabby: I move we appoint srz Cool Guy of the Office for the day. ghudson: The motion will not be considered. jered: Anyone object to dhcp server on 18.70? MIT Computing Report: jweiss: There were numerous power outages at MIT, some of which may have affected MIT computing. We have also been experiencing occasional AFS slowness. Computer Services: ghudson: SIPB machine room equipment was not affected by any of the power failure of the past few days, including some Maxines not on UPSs. jweiss: Many workstations not on UPSs also survived. ghudson: I will be talking to Lorraine about web server memory and a 4G drive for AFS, and this would come from the server renewal budget, not the office equipment budget. jweiss: rtfm migration status? ghudson: it's been stalled; neither machine has the resources to do all of the rtfm services. Two faster implementations of the usenet-addresses service are in testing. SIPB Backup Report: jweiss: Nothing has been done yet this week. except closet was done over the weekend. Publications Report: jhawk: We're out of iAthena and iBitmap... I move we allocate $50 for... jweiss: we have iAthena. jhawk: ok, 50 copies of iBitmap. seconded, white-balloted. R/O Report: marthag: Did we send out a freshman mailing? ghudson: I don't believe so. I don't find this terribly disturbing. marthag: midway? ghudson: Forms have been filed, Abbe's in charge of that. IAP Report: '() CokeComm Report: shabby: rcaileff says people should stock the fridge and not be lame. jweiss: people should be smart enough to differentiate between redeemable and non-redeemable. marthag: rcaileff says to ask about water container in the fridge. ghudson: comments should go to Rachel. Other: jhawk: Please remember to plug in your CSU/DSU into your UPS, along with your router. marthag: While you're at it, give a default route on your PC. djib: HowToGAMIT is going online. Watch discuss for details. Other Other: mhpower: On Tuesday, people went to the Esplanade. gsstark brought Flav-R-Ice. mwhitson: from sorokin: In the ongoing saga of Fenway, a Fiji was shot in the back alley (minor damage), and Fiji has told us (Fenway) that we shouldn't go out through the back alley this week because, "We're planning something." rjbarbal: sgw asked me to state that Jessie is not buying a motorcycle. jtkohl: jik asks for help moving Tuesday, you'll get food Wednesday at Taj. Send jik mail about it. quijote: Neither Jen nor I failed to show up at the altar, and we both survived the honeymoon. cat: Caves are cool, but they hurt if they're too small. The meeting was adjourned at 20:24:11. Minutes taken and submitted by shabby.