NOTE: These are DRAFT minutes until this note is removed. ========================================================= Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 2013-08-05 The meeting was called to order at 7:30:00 by achernya. In attendance were Voting members: codetaku adehnert achernya tboning iannucci dwilson btidor sqshemet davidben dvorak42 lapentab Associate members: glasgall tlyu afarrell jdreed mitchb jhawk asedeno jbarnold Prospectives: k_sunter belzner Guests: Administrivia: glas: We have new furniture. it's kind of awesome. dwilson: Someone from the FSF contacted the ec and asked if we were interested in helping out with the 30th anniversary of GNYU, project celebratory hackathon. This would be a thte end of Septermber. I think this is probalby a good thing. if oyu have comments feel free to speakj up now or contact your friendly local ec member. Otherwise, if intersted in helping to organize or direct, feel free to volunteer. Otherwise, dove is willing to hlep with sched jhawk: Can't help but wonder why this isn't being handeled through RMS ach: Assuming because busy and delegated jh: there may be deeper issues. I don't think it's a good idea to discuss them on the record. dwil: we can ask for more details before committing. jh: just throwing that out there. afarr: willing to help a current student adeh: Just find that a very out of left field concern. glas; OI'm baffled. achernya: Motion to allocate $n for the scanner to allevaite lack of scanner in W20 glas; Is it in fact the case that the digital scanner is borken beyond easy repari achern: It has failed my attempts ach: Relatedly, allocate 33 for samsung external dvd writer to replace writer [second and white ballot] tboning: allocate 13 for a mini display to display port cable. urrent kvm switch isn't compatable. Makes really errible graphical glitches. ach: Just a cable to go from small display port to big displayport [second and white ballot] iann: Are you tabling the motion, or motioning the table. jdreed: move to allocate 275 for anoter table to replace the portnoy angle table and one enext to it. Less of an island, will happily hold meadow. jhawk: how much shorter? ach: It's not. jdreed: Haven't measured how long that table is. The new one would be 47'' jhawk: The new table will be 13 inches shorter. ach: which will iporve the walk pTH [mOTION PASSES 15-0-2] jdreed: I sent mail to the people whose drawer volumentric space was move to expedit and asekd to identify one of cubby enclosures, and whichever one they want to let me know. I think so far adehnert was the only one who actually reploied. This is not necesarily bounded time, but going to ikea tomorrow and saturday and some other time. ach: Sooner would be better, because organizational summetry jhwk: general plan to replace easy to find office stuff jdreed; general plan to organize office stuff and label it jhwak: what enclosures? jdreed; unknonw glas: large pile of stuff on ltable behind laptop land labeld doomed. redunatnt, broken, no fiurther use to the board.. If you disagree, pleas speak up before next meeting. jdred> Ore stupid. Also [pile next to it labeled stuff that people may want. Owners have emailed, people should claim them. Far end are a few thing that we believe are useful but don't know what they are or why we have them. If you remove stuff from pile. please add postit explaining what it is. example sczi card is our only pcix card. ach: that's significantly less useful. jdreed; Motion to either eliminate or condense eastern bloc documentation racks. I doubt that anone has needed emacs on athena reference cards and achernya: emacs reference cards seem like something we should actually have. glas; theyu're so big! mitchb: I would just like ot poiit out that chiar himself has decided that he needed to go look at the discuss reference and found it very useful. And then he put it back. achL: Mitch is correct. Project Updates: adeh: Project formarly known as Debothena is now Chiron. Reports ticket number, class number, bible verses, airport codes, pokemon, unicode characters afarr: does it do koran verses adeh: No, happy to take a patch. Or file an issue, I'll get to it in next several decades adehL: getitng renamed to not confuse with Debathena. Also orinigllay named BITD when it was debathena ticket nunbers, so figured name change would be good. Chiron was a centaur who was really wise and an oracle or something. I think CHiron and Charon are more distinguishable, although not sure. We might hbe another rename. jhawk: I thught it was selected to preserve confusion adeh: Not intentional. Angsted for a while, and concluded it was fine. mitch: that was actually the determination? adeh: did not originally occur to me that there was an issue here. It's definitely implies less of a relationship to debathena. And Charon doesn't have a bugtracker so we're okay on that front. mitch if we had the spoftware stack to run it, you really should run chiron zephyring as daeon charon. adehL can send personals if oyu wnt to. If people are talking about classes or whatever. dwilson: how adehL damon/chiron.mit.edu. Or hit relply. Also, if you want to contribute let me know davidben: oreking on theiss thing. i thikn mentioned it before. I have this completely scary javascirpt implementaion of kerberos called webathena. Uing it to build a zephy r client. Alomost not completely unusalbe. It mostly has a UI now. If you go to roost.mit.edu then you can try out my zephyr client. It sort of has no ui and subbing is kind of hard. Reccommmend running that scrupt in the locker until built, unless stephen and have like 17k subs. It kind of sort of works. By taking zephyr/zephyr ticket and uploading to server, roost only sees zephyr ticketr, never gets acfestt o more intersting. By abuses I can keep that subscripber alive for longer than your ticket expires. Unless I go down for longer than 20 minutes. btidero: will it be able to run script for me davidben: current plan is to have another button achernya: you should go write that sciurpts-abusing cache manager hack davidben: also, if like doing web frontend stuff and wants to work on this, please talk to me, because I cna't do UI and I want a frontenet. The ui is terrible. jdreed; cna we get a less reept logo. The spider owl is fine, it's it's eyes following you. achL ine oif te thing powering roost is sql.mitedu. Actually let david use staging server. It's now porimary server. Silentyly switched out from s-b, ending 1000 day rule, to p-k mitchb: like how descrptition of total 5minute outage was silent ach; for stupid reasons, web interface still runs on s0-b. Soon I will finish webathena powered swl. ghas: new sql hasn't noticed it's under load yet. ach: qps went up and load didn't mitch: old one basically didn't have spinning disks and that was a problem ach: f0k is doing most of the backups. need to reinable afs ones. gls: xvm infomed this morning that someone sent to look at switch. Talk to someone probably omrorow. Did we do the network thing last week? Deployed some changes to fix onging network issues if you have an hvm runinng sufficicntly new os. ach: scriupts killed alst 1024 key today. startup.scripts 4096bit key. MITcert is awesome and can now issue wildcards glas; is it in bed with NSA? adeh: back in like feb/april 2011 when I was taking securty class, like achernya I found webmoira vuln. one ptched year ago, one patched last week. no longer csrf and xxs attacks against webmoira. Been a good month for security in MIT. iann: now can't change contents of someone else's moira query acdeh: no that's not what I'm talking about. mitchb:For anyone annoyed by periodic zephyrings from 3down checker, may be happy to know that we've gotten rid of one of two major problems by blackholing mail. This was apparenly quite an achievinement. asedenoL built barnowl for the locker for wheezy. ach: everyone upgrade dialups! ased: hacked togetehr something that owuld let me build one for wheezy. Other: mjdred: At the 722 meeting I promised uodate on card reasder. The original motivation was general staff uncomfortableness with issuing large number of keys to people not known personally. lead to exploration of card reader. Miscommunication somehere, resulted in installation instead of question of possiblit. If the card reader is activated there were several stanidng questions. Existing keys invaliudated? yes, over the long term. However, the officers could be issued physical keys to new lock in emergencies. DLC sponsored, IST willing to cover any charges related to issuing. Who would have access not listed on acl? People who can have access to a master key now even if do not own. SEMO, CPs, Facilities. May include one or two IST who physically run server. DOesn't inlude like all of network etc. Club fficers exclusive control of acl? Yes. SEMO nervous about access IST would push issue so that current club officers could have access to acl. Ideally one or two ist would also be on that as backups but negotaible. So that was the answer to all of those wquestions. before I move one, questions? jhawk: So was the intetion to say tha tmember showho wanted keys not officers can't get them. Intention is not to reduce set of people with access jdreed; I think yes. Physical keys only in emergency. If no one is available, others maybe. jhawk L having trouble seeing motivation for physcial key restriuction, because cost to rekjey is negligible, I don't see why its a big deal to let as many people as we watn with key shave keys jdereed: semo, until card reader debacle, was not previouslay aware of how many people. They assert that they care. jhawk; there's a distintion between encourage not and strictly limit jdreed; i dont' ahve an answer. happy to try to get one. At some point a decision should be mad eabout the deisred state of the card reader. Mark has tasked me as the intermediary. jhwal: Do we know how to sturcture the discussion of hwat we want? ach: Not in an open meeitng. jdreed; Goal was to provide up dto date infomration. Now board's hards jhawk: timeframe/ days? weekss? jdreed; ideal by reg day. If we can't schedule meeting until students are back that's fine. Jdreed: at spome point around reg day, I will ask agian for an opnionin. jdreed: "Please remove the card reader, and we promise to have a final decision by "insert date here"" that could work. achneryal I would ask for it to be powered off, not removed glas; can we continue discussion outside of this meeting? Project: ach: today, a few maintainers had a meeitng with Garry, Beiller, jweiss seeing a demo vof vmware platform and how SIPB could gain access. Current VMs are debathena build server. Environment is limited, consolde access, cna't reboot. This offering is a huge change. We'd be able to privisoin vms and all the things we'd come to expect from our own solutions. The benefits of this, shoudl we choose to start running services on it, ist would manage hardware, hardware upgrades. There are no costs to us associated wit this service. OIt looks shiny. only roadblock, thick clinet requres windows, thin relwquers some windows-ubuntu only plugin. mitch: They'll let us play with test environment. We'll have more information. ach: It should work on at least Fedora. btidor: Run a Widows environment and have people vnc into it mitch: Hold that face! ach: Anyway, these things are shinyu> don't knowhow many blades. Each 16 cores, 256 g of ram, sotrage backed by ist. Physically located in oc11. Hypervisors intended to run in n+1 reduncancy. mitchb: There was some discussion of splitting betweek OC11 and E40, which will become W92. glas; how many? ach: Dunno, but Garry kept saying four. mitch: it's upwardly negotiable if needed. he said don't ask for 37. mitchb: (othe) in W91 for reasons. Early, so I wandered into camilla's office to say hi. She said, oh, I've had this thing meainng to give you, supposed to give you like a decade ago. Rumaing through tboxes in her desk. pulss out ist spotlight award, dated nov 14 2008. Thanks me for outstanding customer service, sense of urgency ,hesiod outage in cotober. Our minutes oct 2008 meeting, I repored ther was a Mithc was great help handing all helpdesk cases espcially betweek 4 and 5 am. Outage could have been disruptive had he not paged our team. Not able to earn this prestiguous award without the halp of our prestigious vice chairs jhawl: How mayu helpdesk cases? mitch: neighborhood of 10. People were coming in here from cluster by that point. g;as; Reallly dumb qesiont. what were you doing here 4;15 am mitchb: used to be here then a lot. asedeno: congratulations. Other Other: glas: I hear there's a 40th anniversary of some software named after some four0-legged mammal coming up. lapentab: carpet got cleaned glas: for some value of clean ach: Ther eis now a touchpad attached to side of filing cabinet. Attached to zsr. Keyboard's there too. jdreed: replaced packing tape with doublesided, because fell off when using jhawk: Last weke mit released aaron swartz report. metions us. I had forgotton. it's worth reading. Discusses hos mMIT reacted. Also contains statements about us that I thik we would want to knowmore abut ian: statements by whom jahkw: not superclear because in footnote. Wans't prepared to talk about it. " khawl report elsehwere misreprentsts relationship with ispb. dwuksinL report is quite ling, but well-written and easy to read. It's fairly interesting. [enter srz] jhwk: would suggest that board authorize the chair to respond to inquiries that swartz was a regualr attendee. iann: I would oopose such a motion. it does not seem wise for us to be making public staements. jhawk: I withdraw the motion. glasgall: Ksplice uptyrack, service that started by sipb members, should support newer versions of ubuntu without having to reboot into an older kernel. The meeting was adjourned at 8:40:34. Minutes taken and submitted by sqshemet.