Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 8 November 82 The meeting was called to order at 7:35pm by Wendy. In attendance were Voting members: BCN, PSR, DM, KAM, Alan,WER, ZRM, Barmar, JR, LAI, CBF, RDZ, J9, Steve And: HGA, DCP, JSL, GMP, RK, Naha, CAH, Ed, WMY, Gill, SEL, JIS. WER read highlights from last week's minutes. KAM encouraged people to look them over and send her corrections. Do we still approve minutes? A couple of weeks ago we explicitly did NOT approve them. ->MTG APPLICATIONS Myricks, Toussaint. No action.... We simply read it. Martinez, Maria L. $50.00->EC. EC did not approve, so ->mtg. She wants to learn more text editing; she is a secretary. She wants to learn it for professional advancement. Given. DiRenzo, Antoinette. $50.00 ->mtg to learn text editing. She is a secretary. Given. Sanchez, John. $50.00 ->mtg. For text editing to write a club constitution for a sky diving club he is trying to organize. No previous application. Given. LeBlanc, Stephen. $100.00 ->mtg. Text editing, also wants to learn Macsyma. Given. Nassir, Jamal. $500.00 ->mtg. A UROP for problems in sea wave induced stresses in submarine topography. An offshoot of an NSF funded research thing. Defferred until he comes in to a meeting. Prev had $150.00. TREASURER'S REPORT JR: month-to-date: $3703.38 year-t0-date: $29,542.20 last week: $2,464.48 spba/spb $629.74 --this is about 17% CHAIRMAN'S REPORT WMY talked to Corby, strictly on his own and unoffically. They talked about the general losingness of the parsimonious approach we are obliged to take, and possible alternatives. The pie slice and the government auditors. Corby thought it was a great idea, but it would be up to us to convince Wes. JIS is drawing up a proposal for a pie slice. People interested in this SHOULD TALK TO JIS. It should be borne in mind that this is a sensitive issue. OFFICE REPORT The office has a new toy. Last week's doubly tabled motion is brought back onto the floor. motion by KAM to split the motion in thirds. Fails. Last week's motion fails. Steve is getting us a new Office Hours poster. People should attend their office hours. Some members feel trapped in the office by the fact that users come in and and ask them questions they feel obliged to stay and answer even though they only meant to stop in the office for a few minutes. These members are feeling put upon. JSL would like to swap the office vt100 in the terminal for the one in McCormick that has a wider column length. motion by Steve to so do. Passes. COMPUTER SERVICES What are we going to say to the EECS Visiting Committee? CBF wrote a letter which is up on the board. CBF wants help w/ it; people should comment it. Gill points out that EE is broke & is probably not going to give us money. He thinks the letter is great but we shouldn't make a nuisance of ourselves. Everyone agrees that we should make the point that we are the SIPB, a student organization & a different thing from EE. JSL and JIS and WMY and others say that we should mention 6.030 "w/ neon f*&^ signs." We should do this in our capacity as the Sipb and in our capacity as students and... Do people want to go to the meeting w/ the visiting committee? They are encouraged to do so. Perhaps we should send them a 6.030 letter too. KAM will try her hand. WER has a draft description of process_paper for the NETS. TELECOMMUNICATIONS REPORT Gill needs to know what room it is for the microwave link. He is sorry he didn't get stuff done last week but he fell out of his loft. There was a discussion of the space we will be given for the terminal concentrator. TERMINAL REPORT There are only three TTR's this week, which BCN read. 1). 3 Aug. 82 (!!!!). The ADP z19 at Random has a missing spring under its missing caps lock key. At last week's meeting we decided to bring it to the office. 2). 13 Oct. 82. The ZBT terminal has a broken caps lock key. At last weeks meeting we decided to bring this one to the office also. 3). 6 Nov. 82. The spinwriter in the office dies after printing a small numberr of characters. It is behaving slightly better but is still intermittent. Apparently there is a little bit of question about whether East Campus' terminal is working. motion by CBF to buy the advanced video option for the 5 vt100 terminals we just received from DEC. People seem to like the idea but wonder about the price. JSL suggests a technical alternative which seems to be provoking some debate. Passes. Eric has requested that we pay $1500.00 for the xhaos board. Some people are wondering why the networking group isn't paying for this but other people think there is no reason the networking group should. JIS warned everyone not to give Eric a hard time. --even about the Tech. Several other people also said that we should not give Eric a hard time; he is not responsible to us & he is not even responsible to "student computing." PSR brought up the question of funding. The money is coming out of that money that was budgeted to buy terminals which we didn't buy because DEC gave them to us. JSL wants to know if Gill asked us to pay for the CCC phone lines. The vadic was hooked up. It has an autodialer hooked up. A couple of weeks ago we didn't get a demonstration of a 212 equivalent modem. ribbon cable. Steve is working on this but he is no longer at the meeting. PUBLICATIONS REPORT WER hasn't finished the NETS yet. ANNUAL-REPORT REPORT R/O REPORT IAP REPORT the second guide deadline is the 17th. We must decide whether we are funding or subsidizing or what students taking IPS courses. IPS is again charging $30-$40. motion by CBF to not fund them because we can't afford it. We have no way of limiting what we spend. How is the current partial funding being worked anyway? JSL says we should bend our efforts to improve the courses rather than to fund the "current lossage." Motion passes; we will not fund. MORE TREASURER'S REPORT GMP extrapolating on fascist graphs says we will exceed 80-81 spending in JAN and will run out of budget in MAR. He would like 50% of any member's winnings in the game. IAP REPORT (KAM to Barmar: you said something about our own courses & the IAP guide but I missed it. What was it?) Marvin.Sipbadmin ran out of money here. CBF: we should try not to be bracketed w/ IPS in the IAP guide. Remember that we don't need to take reservations for the LISP course. On the other hand, mark all calls on the tally sheet so we can guess whether how many people will be. Programming contest. We need someone to design it, and we need someone to run it, and we need someone to judge it. OTHER The MPM is being replaced w/ books that will be 500 - 1000 pages long. We will have to change the way we stock manuals in the dorms. We may want to get the compins so that we can select our own hash of manual rather than Honeywell. (This is what they did at Ford). These manuals are being produced by 9700. JIS is not sure it would be right for us to get the compins if MIT doesn't. Actually, he is not sure it would be right for us to act on our own in this, whatever MIT decides to do. Furthermore, we don't want our users to dprint their own copies at $100.00 apiece. APPLICATIONS RK totalled the applications. Total appropriations: $ (without Coop) Autoed: Student: $1960.00 370: $100.00 EC: --there were no applications approved by EC-- Student: $-- 370: $-- To Meeting: Student: $250.00 370: $ -- Coop: $300.00 OTHER OTHER We have a new toy. CBF & RDZ ran in front of a train. Last week all the systems people at Concourse met w/ Al Vasa. The Concourse people got that they wanted. Carl Hewitt was assissinated. (Remember that assassin game BCN was running?). RK encouraged members to remove boxes of stuff from under the chairs. CBF says that we should all have space in the office. Carl Hewitt destroyed the mailboxes of: Jerry Sussman, and Marvin Minsky. We are keeping the terminals in the office so we can test the terminal concentrator. JSL had bad things to say about the Multics pl1 compiler. Think of a name for the default person-in-office. (Office ghost?). The meeting was adjourned at 9:25pm. Minutes taken and submitted by katharine.