Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 9-13-82 The meeting was called to order at 19:32 by Wendy E. Rowe In attendance were: WER, Steve, BARMAR, CBF, Lai, ZRM, RK, Naha, JR, RDZ, GMP, BCN, PLJ and several freshmen. Frosch: Canice Wu Andy Berlin Jim Buonora Dinarte Morais Joseph P. Cernada Charley Marker Paul Rosenblum Late were: PAE, cent, CAH, CRD, CDT, HGA, TZS, KAM, The minutes of the meeting of 9-06-82 were read and accepted as corrected. PAE entered during the reading of the minutes. CAH, and Paul Rosenblum entered User interrupt: Jayauant, 200.00 to meeting from a UROP project. His advisor Umans says there is no other funding. Electric power lab. Program is to be transferred from another machine. Which?? Motion to give 200.00 Passed. Program is now in fortran, he may want to switch to PLI, but we suggest he stay with FORTRAN, and try to move it to Multics. User interrupt: BSEE, 100.00 to meeting for mailing list. We gave 50.00 last year. Why 50.00 more this year? They want to write a new data base. Is this a lister application? Maybe Wes will fund them. Motion to defer. Passed. Chris Tavares and Charlie Davis walked in at this point. WOW!! Treasurer's Report: Total spending 2482.60, 1000.00 sipb/spba mtd year to date 11200.05 We have an account number. Jay and JR put money where it belongs Friday -- JR hopes. WER explained to Frosh the concept of our budget. We now have only one account number. Operating, Capital, and Computer time all in one. We have to watch operating expensing more carefully. Wes is now in charge of all monmey having to do with us. Our total budget comes more directly from him now. Some time this month signature power on our checking account will change to the right people. Chairman's Report: We need to have an EC election!!! The following members are eligible for the EC: Alan, BCN, Gill, HDT, KAM, PLJ, Steve, TZS, ZRM, PAE ZRM, Gill declined the nomination. CBF said that Alan wasn't interested in being elected. We are voting for one member. Results. BCN 3, HDT 2, KAM 2, PLJ 2, Steve 6, all others nil. WER explained the great SIPB/IPS move. It still looks like we are going to get a room in the basement of building 2. Corby seemed to be very concerned that we would be so far away from the terminal room. He will try to arrange things for us. WER told him that the basement room would need a lot of fixing up if we get put there. WER will talk to Provost Low about our space. Corby's kids play with an ATARI. Corby said that maybe in a few years we will have large numbers of one-man computers e.g. LISP machines, but not ATARI's. Should we think about modifying the way we nominate and initiate members. CBF thinks things are fine the way they are, with new members informally learning the right thing. Gill thinks thing should be very informal, members should be anyone who wants to be. ZRM feels that we would be more of a club than a service organization if we said specifically what a member should know.(Steve feels the opposite is true.) Tavares wants to know who will take out the garbage while everyone has the glory jobs. RK feels that things like taking around manuals aren't getting done enough. ZRM thinks that people will fall correctly in the niche that they want.(What about the niches that nobody wants.) Tavares said that we really are a fraternity or are at least the next best thing to a fraternity, and he hopes that down the road people will realize that we really are a fraternity. Office hours should be signed up for. All hours need people. More than one person should sign up for office hour slots. Members not signing up for office hours should be given an official naughty-naughty by the Chair. J9, HDT, KAM, TSZ had entered by this time. People are not processing applications. Some people were put in the "In" bin without being processed. We don't pay for sipb_register so let's register people during the day. This is very important. CBF explained to the frosh the concept of registering and processing applications. When you register someone make sure you enter their student ID as programming number. Steve, get the student directory fische. Barry said to sign and date all notes in JJS. Everyone should check backup maps. TTR's are not getting processed. Most of our terminals are on service contracts, but not the Z19's. WRITE EVERYTHING SIGNIFIGANT IN THE LOG-BOOK. Solved TTR's should get holes punched in them and go in the orange book. WER explained the philosophical concept of the log-book to the frosh. RK did the same about the coolie box for members. THREAT--- Coolie of the Day may have to be reinstated if members don't get off their collective duffs. We need new stationary. Don't run off too much, we're moving. Remove staples from multiple applications. The remover is bound to the bins. We need string instead of rubberbands. A copy of SIPB at MC is being forwarded to the mailling list. We are eating pens at an alarming rate. We should try to cut down. Members should bring pens in if they can. Computer Services: RK explained the process of making tape dumps. We should do a clean_up -date_time_used Aug_1_1982. WER explained Coop and overhead charges. Thesis will still go on Coop. Wes said he wants student activities to come to him for their money. Eventually students on Coop may somehow get billed by IPS so that we won't have to deal with it and Coop may get dispersed to the four winds. CBF thinks that students wouldn't get as much service if they aren't on Coop. WER says that might be so, but Wes and every SIPB treasurer we've ever had would like to get rid of Coop. Telecommunications Report: Cliff is the Telecom chair. BARMAR gets a gold star or two for manual hacking. Other manuals should be taken away. The UDS should go to Fenway. It is no longer needed for R/O. There was discussion about the sale of our old modems. Gill suggests some price around 110.00 to 120.00. He doesn't want to gip a student. Motion to take names and refund money if the price drops. Second. Symbolics is NOT a student. Amended to take names now and decide what to do with them later. Passed. It was suspected that we are still being billed for the Baker phone. We are not. WER went to Student Center Library. We may get two concatenated conference rooms up there to put in more terminals. Is the room bigger than a bread box? Yes, it's pretty big. CBF thinks that these hidden rooms will be far too subject to vandalism. Many others disagree. User Interrupt: J9 and the ESP. They want to update their manuals and teacher handbooks. It will take less than fifty dollars. Motion to give. Second. Should we defer to Wes like other activities. She promises to go to Wes and do the right thing. Motion ammended ( AHHH! at this point the secretary was bombarded by Heavy Metal) to give if Wes doesn't . Passed. Terminal concentrator: RK reported that RLL said mumble mumble mumble mumble mumble mumble mumble, maybe mast, maybe soon, mumble mumble mumble mumble mumble mumble mumble. RK--"You can't explain RLL in one sentence." RLL is not the critical link. DCP's software is not sufficient for our needs. It can't auto dial etc. Can other people work on the concentrater? Gill thinks that this work should occur in the office so that members have more access to it. The acting-secretary thinks that this work should just plain occur. There is maybe a PDP-11/20 in CCC which we could use for development. CBF-- "The multics CHAOS connection is up when JIS is up." ACW did not enter at this point. THERE WILL BE A MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT, TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, AT 8:00 TO DISCUSS ANYTHING RELATING TO THE TERMINAL CONCENTRATOR. ALL INTERESTED PARTIES SHOULD ATTEND OR SEND MESSAGES. PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING BUT WANT TO WORK ON IT ARE ESPECIALLY ENCOURAGED TO ATTEND. Publications Report: There is a NETS insert on the wall for WMY's new command. It should be reviewed. Is process_paper a bad name for this command. Undecided. Annual-Report Report: Should we punt a nice cover for the annual report. No. R/O Report: For next publicised meeting we should have a written, very well documented agenda to hand out to frosh explaining various things. Gill and the CCC are giving a C course and we should direct people to them for these courses. (C as a first language, and C as an n-th language) There was much flaming about the SIPB slide at STAR WARS. RK thinks that what happened smells. Steve thinks that those who complained should have helped make the slide. RK thinks... Steve thinks ... ad infinitum. There was a very successful computer tour last week. WER won't organize this again. Other: I/M sub-report: We should look for lab leagues. Basketball is the next sport to watch out for. Applications: To meeting: SEDS, want 75.00 for text editing of constitution and data-bases. Motion to send to Wes. Second. Passed. To meeting: BCN, 100.00 for text and God knows what. Motion to give if he takes manuals to next house. Passed. To meeting: RDZ, for whatever, $80.00 passed. To meeting: KKYee. To meeting because it is over 100.00. Motion to give 50.00 out of 60.00 because he still has 10.00. Passed. JPT entered at this point, and then left. To meeting: TTsaing, Motion to give 25.00 and find out what he is doing. Passed. WARNING: Stork, using his account for frat work. He should be given come to office. Total appropriations: $5620.00 without Coop Autoed: $5620.00 Student: $6125.00 370: $190.00 To Meeting: $505.00, EC: $, all Student. Coop: $88.00 Other Other: Primary election tomorrow. We should vote. There are three Charlies in the office at this time. The meeting was not quite ajourned at 10:30 Gill lectured.( His words, not mine.) He feels that if you are going to mention a person by name you should send private mail. Should people who aren't interested in working in the office be members of the SIPB? He feels that an important role for some members is to help guide student computing at MIT and to do that by steering the board's actions. Maybe more of the meeting should be devoted to guiding MIT's computing policy. RK pontificated. CBF sermonized. Steve just plain flamed. KAM thanked Gill for the incredibly calm way this was conducted. ZRM said we should stomp out all flames. ( Why do ducks have flat feet? --- to stomp out forest fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? --- to stomp out flaming ducks.) c/ said that she would be more comfortble if she saw Gill contributing more to the board in any way. This is very hard to convey. Some SIPB soul searching went on and you should probably talk to some one who was here. The meeting was finally adjourned at 11:05. Minutes taken and submitted by Stephen J. LeBlanc. After the meeting WER and Steve tried to take JR's clothes off. They could not be reached for comment.