Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 11/18/96 The meeting was called to order at 7:30 by yonah. In attendance were Voting members: fubob, katyking, kretch, yonah, danw hartmans, aurora, sit, amu, annmarie | nygren, beaners, gutnik, mkgray Associate members: mycroft, ghudson, marc, jtkohl, eichin, warlord, mhpower, jweiss | jemorris Non-voting members: Prospectives: tlai, george@nh.mit.edu Guests: Barry Johnson (from Clemson MIS) Treasurer's Report: '() Chairman's Report: yonah: No quorum yet yonah [later in the meeting]: we have quorum (13+5 absentee) Questions: hartmans: You've done what? tlai: webmaster: add home pages, comment gateway stuff, weird requests, cleaning queue (nobody's) jhawk: What ideas do you have on automating webmaster stuff? tlai: more scripts for adding pages, learn perl hartmans: What do you expect to get out of SIPB in future? tlai: Stay webmaster, do scripts, answer user questions beaners: What do you feel the role of teddy bears (on behalf of george)? tlai: If I didn't know was trick question, SIPB has a fuzzy side just like stuffed animals. I don't really know. jhawk: If a SIPB membered a bear, what would you say? tlai: (fooms jhawk) gutnik: Other than webmaster stuff, what else did you do? tlai: Got food for SIPB tour, answer user questions kretch: What did you learn from SIPB? tlai: How to reboot machines (stop-a boot), frame license stuff, answer combo questions mhpower: Some in the past have suggested that users should be able to authenticate to web server w/ kerberos and change stuff w/o webmaster help. What piece is missing and why don't we do this? tlai: Don't know mhpower: Web server wouldn't have access to verify person's real name. danw: Name former chairmen and Athena/IS employees. tlai: derek, ghudson, fubob, annmarie, myself yonah: lots of people here. Sam is borderline. jhawk: Who don't you recognize? tlai: You (Barry) Barry: I'm a guest, how are you? aurora: It's late at night, fire alarm goes off, what do you do? tlai: Get the save in case of fire box. Tell prosepctives to leave. lock door. nygren: What's the highest number of webmaster requests a day? tlai: 30 in a day maybe at most. Most interesting is stuff answered by harrisj who flames people for stupid questions. jhawk: How much time do you plan to spend in the office in future? tlai: mornings, (sees yonah), busy in classes though kretch: It became known that we accidentally membered someone who didn't eat at Mary's. How many times did you go? tlai: Mary's 40 times kretch: In a week or a month? beaners: What is your respond if the teddy bear asked for a home page. tlai: Check what machine it came from. Lastlog on that machine and find out it was really beaners. Then ask beaners to allocate space in her account. nygren: Pick a member and ask them something that shows your knowledge. tlai: jhawk, "How many pieces of webmaster stock answers are there" jhawk: 13? tlai: Bzzt. 44 marc: Yow! Off by a factor of three! mycroft: Pathetic! sit: What is the relavance of applesauce? tlai: To find sipb members beaners: rav sauce? tlai: Don't know beaners: eichen says "I like kids ... with Rav sauce" beaners: Name things that hung from ceiling. tlai: berts hair, simpson's thing, nerd thing, slinky thing, hartmans: jhawk was silly, but almost said something useful. What are the qualifications of a non-bear for a SIPB member? tlai: People who help (main goal of SIPB). Record hours of prospective hot spot time. Server maintainer, backup. hartmans: What's the great xstaple experiment? [trying to keep track of types of questions answered] beaners: moves marc ask question kretch: moves both marks ask simultaneously marc: [asks the question] tlai: More reason to help people, can get in office early, SIPB t-shirt. People ask me questions in random clusters. Said "I saw you in SIPB office" so asked stuff. voting results: (membership requires 16 yes votes to pass) yes: 15 no:0 abstain: 1 invalid: 2 -- fails motion to reconsider: yes: 14 no: 0 abs: 0 -- passes revote: yes: 17 no: 0 abstain: 1 -- passes Office Report: ghudson: limekiller is both a dual OS machine and scanner. Used for testing linux. Would like lime to be more stable running NetBSD all the time. Granola can be the dual OS machine. Only 500MB disk space though. ghudson moves: Allocate up to $300 to buy an IDE disk for granola kretch: seconds jweiss: Does granola have a SCSI bus [no] yonah: white ballot fubob moves to allocate $200 for SCSI ZIP drive and a couple cartridges marc: seconds jweiss: How useful is it to have one? marc: can we move it around? jtkohl: ZIP and Jaz are not the same cartridges mhpower: Has a user come to SIPB for it? hartmans: yes fubob: OLC yes jhawk: We have enough discrentionary $$$ marc: Up amount to $300 for cabling and 3 cartridges fubob: OK mhpower: Very relavant for what machine it's on. Eg, kicking users off ghudson: I suggest lime. It already has such a device marc: What's OS do users need it for? yes: 13 opposed: 0 abstain: 3 passes nygren: Move to allocate $30 for O'Reilly's Java in a nutshell book jweiss: second yonah: white ballot. pass jweiss: Move to allocate $100 for power strips hartmans: Object. This should supercedes all previous motions. jweiss: OK sam marc: object: doesn't like white balloting money yes: 17, opp: 0 abst: 0 passes jweiss: Note, I am not willing to deal. Prospectives? MIT Computing Report: hartmans: It's not clear kerbdev won't make internal history today hartmans [later in the meeting]: kerbdev has made history Computer Services: kretch: emhavens says "I am looking for a news answers moderator for 5hrs/wk. Moderators are hosed." ghudson: Probably will get quantum disks rather than Fujisu.. Beacon is being taken care of. mhpower: Why didn't we try to get disks from another vendor? ghudson : We will discuss offline mhpower: Clarinet has doubled its content with HTML or image versions of the normal news. But we have not yet added the groups because Clarinet has yet to say how much disk space it will require. kretch: I have an idea to start migrating to new UPSes. Will send mail. mhpower: what services? kretch: AFS, then other services mhpower: It's a bad time of year to do outages. jweiss: ASO tries not to scedhule outages between drop date and end of term jtkohl: for AFS possibly weekly shutdown on sunday morning warlord: or for thanksgiving SIPB Backup Report: yonah: AFS is happening now. I was lame changing tapes, so we're going to be storing different tapes in vault. Publications Report: yonah: Low on installing netBSD, but not out yet R/O Report: '() IAP Report: jtkohl: Do we have online listing of offerings? kretch: /afs/sipb/porject/iap/org97 Web pages will sometime appear. nygren: Have scheduled Linux class for IAP, but I don't have time to organize it. I would like someone to organize it 2hrs each session. Go over ilinux. Contact me. CokeComm Report: jhawk: Got 6 cases of soda. It's been used up. Other: jhawk: There's too much offline stuff. hartmans: offline Other Other: mhpower: sendmail 8.8.3 corrects misspellings of the word "weird" The meeting was adjourned at 20:33. Minutes taken and submitted by fubob.