========================================================= NOTE: These are DRAFT minutes until this note is removed. ========================================================= Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 2013-04-22 The meeting was called to order at 7:30:01 by achernya. In attendance were Voting members: achernya bbaren dlaw omalley1 phurst pquimby tboning sqshemet vasilvv | christy dennison dove lfaraone Associate members: glasgall | kenta srz Prospectives: adat belzner btidor cereslee dvorak42 jselover Guests: Prospective Introductions: Administrivia: glasgall: Thanks for lending computers for the retrocomputing exhibit. It was a great success. Now it's being decomissioned. Those who agreed to take away the alpha and O2 please do so. achernya: There will be a membership election today for cereslee. achernya: Our HP Digital Document Scanner is not good at docuemnt sending or anything else for that matter. I looked into options to replace it. The modern verson is 3k. Instead, there is a proposal to get an HP color laser multifunction printer. It has a color laser printer, a scanner, a copier, and a fax machine. bbaren: Based on experience, I'm skeptical of it even turning on. achernya: Inkjet are terrible. glasgall: I'd think that would say something about expected value. achnerya: They're used everywhere on campus. bbaren: Including the color Athena printer, which sucks. codetaku: Can it scan and email? achernya: Yes. pquimby: Have we confimed? bbaren: How do you enter email addresses? achernya: Touchscreen. glasgall: How do you doublespace? bbaren: Many printers require text input letter by letter using the numpad. achernya: It doesn't have a numpad, only a touchscreen. pquimby: Does it support LDAP? bbaren: Why? pquimby: Autocomplete. bbaren: How much to build our own? pquimby: In what unit? omalley1: Our time is too valuable. achernya: There's been a proposal by lfaraone to get a nice scanner, RasPi, keyboard, mosuse and monitor. dlaw: A proposal or volunteer? achernya: He asked if there are Pis for this. bbaren: I like flatbed. achernya: also has flatbed. omalley1: Do they not make this printer any more? achernya: They do, but for 2k. We might as well buy the new one for 3k. bbaren: Maybe we want to wait until our budget is about to expire. achernya: Our budget is about to expire. We have May left. bbaren: Why dont we wait until May? In case something breaks within the next month. achernya: Things have already started breaking. Another three weeks is not going to make spending better, probably worse. pquimby: How much money do we have left? achernya: 8k. om: How frequently do you use the scanner? bbaren: Several times a week. omalley1: IS&Ts stuff is not sufficient? What's the utitlity? bbaren: I won't use the scanner in the cluster for confidential documents because it has no cable, only email or unencrypted FTP. In my case I think having a SIPB scanner that is somewhat more trusted is a reasonable thing. That said, I'm graduating in a few weeks. achernya: Oh, hi, Treasurer. How much money do we have left? christy: Uh.. I'll find out. I'm new. achernya: I said 8k-ish. Is that reasonable? christy: Uh.. sure. I really dont know. pquimby: Is there anywhere else on campus that can file RFPs?. For me, the sole purpose of the scanner was for receipts. Can one do scanning of receipts? achernya: There're two scanners. One is ADF and one is flatbed. christy: For SIPB, if you can't scan your reciepts I'll do it for you. pquimby: I scanned them, I just haven't sent them. christy: Give me your root password, I'll do it. ach: We're not trying to buy the 3k one, just a $650-ish combo. vasilvv: Book purchases. I move to allocate $35 for a book on MySQL performance. It's handy and writetn by people with experience. [Seocond and white ballto] vasilvv: I also move that we allocate $55 for the 2nd edition of the 1st volume of TCP/IP <>. It's the updated verson of a classic book. [Second and white ballot] New Prospective Introductions: btidor: Hi, I'm Benjamin, course 6 freshman. That's it. glasgall: How is Touchstone stuff coming along? btidor: When I have time I'll finish it, right now theres a proof of concept, but it's incredibly slow and you don't want to use it. glasgall: [redacted] jselover: I'm Jesse, I am, I think, still 18C, and I wasn't here for like two meetings. glasgall: What are you interested in? jselover: Anything that can be written in Haskell. glasgall: You should talk to bbaren. jselover: I should particularly because we're working on a group project. adat: I haven't been here in even longer so I feel guilty. I'm still Ada and I'm still 6. glas: cereslee: Do you want to do work for Scripts? achernya: How aobut SQL? adat: I refuse to be quotable. SIPB Project Reports: glasgall: THe work of porting XVM continues. We're probably not going to make the security deadline, but not too far. price, dvorak42, achernya, and I did some work. The webapp is happier, VNC is happier, the general infrastructre is working on Precise. Debian, xen, Debian packaging, config-package-dev pleaes talk. achernya: price and I got <> working. With a VM in a VM it took <543> minutes to build ssh. cereslee: VMception. achernya: It's HVM on Xen on KVM. We also have chroots involved. vasilvv: <> contnues working. Several other packages were ported. We're blocking on clarifying which packages are safe to punt fromm Athena forever. Also there are some services we have to figure out. achernya: liblocker doesn't statically link AFS. Excited. glasgall: Barnowl is aware there is currently a bug connecting to Google Jabber causing a long startup hang. christy: We have USB cables, gloves, USB-to-Serial adapters, and a hard drive or something. achernya: whole-enchilada was found dead. and was not working until I woke up and rebooted it twice. AFS on pancake-bunny and miracle-cure, which I accidentally ctrl-r'd too many times, managed to both come up and not come up. kenta: My wild speculation is a race condition with the network interface versys AFS. achernya: That's not possible because of systemd and dependences. pquimby: I need a brief moment of crowdsourcing help. There was a SIPB project I was involved with and then killed called clockwords. It was deemed technically possible and the socially possible failed. What do people use to schedule things between a group of people? cereslee: Doodle. dove: WhenIsGood. omalley1: What kind of scheduling things? pquimby: I want to schedeule a meeting. Membership Election: cereslee: I'm Ceres, I'm a junior in 6-2 switching from 20. I met achernya freshman year, he convinced me to switch fromm 20 to 6, then dragged me here. It took him 3 years. adat: What are your plans for that weapon in your pocket? cereslee: If I need to use it. Otherwise, put it back in the Guild office later. dennison: How do you double-space ninja? cereslee: I can't tell you. glasgall: How do you doublespace GameTex? phurst: What the hell is-- oh? cereslee: /n/n glasgall: The ghost of Knuth will come kill you. cereslee: Some sad, sad mutant of LaTeX glasgall: How do you doublespace the Scripts ticket queue? cereslee: Nag at achernya until he installs something. dlaw: What have you done, what have you enjoyed? cereslee: I've enjoyed killing The Scripts queue. I started five weeks ago. It's been fun, I've leaned a lot about Scripts and handling user requests. pquimby: What non-Scripts things have you done? cereslee: I worked a little on Dormbase, then that vanished. I'm actually interested in Debathenizing Fedora. vasilvv: Implementations of which programming langes does your favorite text editor contain? cereslee: Lisp. vasilvv: What is your favorite? cereslee: emacs. bbaren: Over the last academic year, Scirpts was DDOS'd. What do you believe Scripts ought to do to prevent these attacks in the future? cereslee: I don't know enough to anser. We probably need more people than achernya because he is the one to wake up. I'd like to learn more. Apart from that, I'm not sure. Scripts is complicated, I don't really understand. glasgall: If you were to name the next Scripts sever, what would you name it? ach: scripts 13 and scripts 14 will be slicd- bread andkitchend glas; new name? ach: can name either real servers, SQL, or host kental easier: heard any good suggestions for names recently. That particularly stucl\ vasilvv: think about sounds like "this is going to be. ceres: fruit-loops. bbaren: that actually sounds reasonab glas: until sued by kellogs shouldn't nam,e it root loops oma: name yoleo yolo rm-rf ceres: can we just name a server redacted dvorak: too late. Already stolen. It's active.... andersk! glas: the dust buldu in the airvent currently above you catches fire. What yo dou do does magic exist? no. how powerful ius tech? not a hypotehctical usniver question phurtL catching ire right now extinguisher, hand it to someone taller like ada, grab save fie box, and run out of the visit glas; institute policy to nit fihgt ires ada: policy to not lose agains tfires kenta: mostly just to get it into minutes. Name is pronounced with accent on second syllable, nt the asteroid or roman goddess? ceres: yes achL in sipb, lots of groups of people to form into contingents. Name as many contingents and gorup people. ceres: guild me, dv,tb, code, glas, <> me, dv, tb siob, people in 6.01, bt, js, me, ada, belz, sqs, are you in 6.021? I havne't eeen y within sipb? male and femaile that' seasyt add athat additional wording incolved cabals. Because ovsiouly no cabals vas: since talking about cabal, name haskell cabal. js, bbaren, phurst who else is obviously but not here? kenta: i get paid money to code in haskell ceres: bbaren like to talk after htis meeting ach: anders and ezyang ezyang actually contribted simmons: om, ada, me, ac, tboning honorary, den technically byutwe don't see him. om: wwoo. yeah. we're soail. cruft. Let's not do that. pq: I'm not cruft! phyuL I'm sorry, who are you again? tb: pat of 5th level of advern <>ask tboning for this> ceres: check to see if scripts dead. Is scripts dead? om: do you ahve to roll? ceres: i have osme in my backack tobning: yes, dead call alex and tell him to rebot still can't ssh are they tyupiung curoc? do they have internet? No. connect. stil doesn't wok they're runinng debathena-cluster on a laptop logged in successuflly? yes. typing in a terminal? yues/ should have brough dice I have some in my back me too. what else could they have done wrong? what is coming up tob: they don't have tickets tell to renew now it works. Please ezplaon why tickers to log into scropts authentication. whta do you mean. why tickets as opposed to passwords? scipts doesn't keep track of passwords. bbaren: favorite pokemon and why. lyucario because awesome an dlbue. floowup: favorite character form Avatar and why. Taf, because awesome. code: how many different ypes of dice on you. set of 7. tom has the same. many: aw we bouth seperately change any one thing what would i tbe? Anything. ceres: sombulliten boards. One of them is now noticly empty. What should be on them hirning test subjects form apertur ach: congratlations ceres, you are now a emmber Other: pq: does anyone have any general thought son github vs bitbucket for academics? christyL has accounts for free for acedemics rle: github.mit.edu bbarenL serve iut out of AFS with gitweb om: Use bitbucket, it's private. glas: I move for a moment of silence for th police officers boston marathon [second and white ballto fallen memorial service Wednesday 12 brigg's field glas: memborial outside of stata. bbaren: debian wheezy is coming. it's actually going to be released within the next month. achL May 5th was the relase date? bbarenL I don't recall. The previous release, Squeeze, released about a year and a half ago. ach: I'm pretty sure if was two and a half at this point. bbarenL The point is, Whzzey is coming. Going to ba awesome. vas: raring! ken: Debian Wheezy includes Gnme 3. omL musesum of fine art just opened a samurai exhibit kenta: east elevator of W20 is busted. ach: any more than two days ago, make an annoying beeping dsound, then open doors, and fucntion normally. lfar: use it at own risk. Other Other: ceresL: drop dat ehas been moved 'til next monday. Now you hve a vew extra das. bbaren: big screw is happning. Disappointing number of professors actually nominated. Steeve Lieb does not accept nominations any more becays ehe would live eveyr year. Screw gets to come to 6.115/6.111 Victory dinner. vas: sufficientyly advanced art of desiging pentwork protocals ince 1985. The meeting was adjourned at 8:45:30. Minutes taken and submitted by sqshemet.