========================================================= NOTE: These are DRAFT minutes until this note is removed. ========================================================= Minutes of the SIPB Meeting of 2013-04-29 The meeting was called to order at 7:30:01 by achernya. In attendance were btidor dove jbarndoldba cdolan price omalley1 achernya nelhage codetaku jselover wings cereslee tboning lfaraone dvorak42 dwilson jisenhar khaines? lapentab wliverno bbaren phurst glasgall sqshemet Voting members: Associate members: Prospectives: Guests: Officer Reports: Adm membersho electio for codetaku after the meeting. Rumor has it that he has an actual name ceres: for work on XVM and giving etherpad love and entertaining office with shenanigans, nomination dvork42. [Seconded, motion passes] dwil: Plant completed maintenence of the overhead fan coil units. It has definitel improved airflow. We'll see if it improves temp. ach: the couch got moved into an interesting new orientation. Office likes it despire limited access to whitebaords lfar: my fault. Determined whiteboards should be moved or go away ceres: but they look cool achren: not any more prive: one feature of glassboards is that ink doesn't accumulate over time. These have been up for 7 years and are like new. ach: someone should look into what we snould to to make them look beter ceres: some reason glass was chosed price: they odn't get dirty becaus glass doesn't interact dwil: as announced to the board bia email, the ec held a meeting earlier this everning in which we voted to ammend const to add a version of the ASA governance clause. Modfiied to better fit inline with sipb's goals. and thatworkind has been approved by the ASA. Anyt commentds please contact EC. ach: constitiuion pdf is in SIPB afs updated and a new copy preinted, first time in 4 years. Also updated to latex2e instaed of latex2. Compules on modern athena now. lfar: was html verion updateds we have html versioin lfar: I would like to move that the cd binder be reorganized and listed cds <> mentioned bia meial be removed form inder and that removed disks be stored in afs or somewhere not binder. No sopondr than 6 days after meeting. bbaren : are there concerns about licensing implementations about coes lf: yes, but from my understanding, murky but allowed archival copy as long as we do not duplicate dhtme. Make one coopy and move original its fine. These not acced by public, os ones moved, and other would not be accessible to publiuc. do not anticipate any being removed would be used ever agian by anyway list stuff in binder or stuff to remove? (glas lfar: both. The union of both was emiale.d Sent over SIPB office ach: how may disks in binder? lfar: 138 CDs, several of these have 5 copiues. achL 100 G of acrhcivin gspace? lfaraone: not all of them removed, but yes. 150 at most. baren: I was expecting more CDs. lfar: there are several like, disk 1 of 7. Or multiple copies bba: fill set of debian install cds? lfar: several. Most are release candidates, no releast version. ex, 2 copies of sarge other gems, plan nine, . Also ls -lr AFS athena from 2004. sqs: I know current undergrads who run plan n lfar: plan 9 athena bbarenL: problem is ther's no sshv2 for plan 9 glas: been ported bbaren: hasn't ver the last year glas: over the plast year there has been something calle dplan 9 <>. bbaren: oh man, I shjould go meet these people glas; I would like to note that despite historical value, when we ere setting up retrocomputing exhibit, there was not any useful media. lfar: I motion that the cd binder be reorganize dand cds listed on AFS path be removed from binder to be prerformed no sooner than 6 days after this. CDs would be backed up before discarded [second bbare: how are you going to back cds up? lfar: cd drive. bba: software wise. As long as the answer is not dd I'm okay. achL if not dd, what's the right answer bbarL I don't remmeber, but there's software specifically for archival copies. Will throttle drive speed to reduce error, take checksums of blocks, bit-perfect copy. [second and white ballot] Prospective introdutsions: kit: Hi, i'm kit sphomore, live on tetazoo, hang out at BUILDS a lot, I'm course 18, mostly. Taken more 6 than 18. jsiL Hi, I'm jake, freshman, live on tetazoo with kit and sqshemet. I'm a 6-2. did oyu have a mohawk jis: I did. cer: Irecognize you. wil: I'm wliverno, I live on tet wliverno. achL Cool. Welcome tetazoo. bbaren: raise your hand if prosepctive and not form tetazoo. [4 aise hadns' a;; should stay after meeting, meet some memvers, and maybe get invoved some proijects. lfar: Also, if you have not recived office mail form sipb, talk to me after the meeting. I can prosectivize you. Anyone else can do this too. ach because SIPB is old, process is strange. keyhoders member, members prospectives. Welcom to sipb. Projec treports: \ glas: proting XVM to precice continues. Yesterday I remctl get a partial machine runningn. Fairly large mlostone. Could also create a disk for it. [applause ach current estimate? clas: haven't even touched convertweb yet, so no idea. om: sent an emial out to sipb about code review so that users can email in and get feedback. Firhgt anwer not clear. Some people rec gerrit and replveplt. Don't know if they are as easy to use as we would like, so there's some discussion how easy should it be. Git? copy-paste? anon? All questions that need answers. Could it just be a mailin list? lfar: I relized that we could use gists for this. DOn't require an accoutn. Don't support line by line, but can easily indicate that. Not a best solution biut one. bbaren: also not the best soliution, but jane street capital style, in order to add comment to code, you just stick a comment in code starets with cr username. easy for someone to grep with comments associate diwth line, history shows up in revision control, doesn't require deploy and maintain software. For something this scale, might be good. btidro if this si a project just tasting, suggest that emining code might work best if someone arleady has version ontrol. I keep mine on github, for example. I think email is imple. om: in terms of selecting reviews, volutnteer or round-roving? achL random selection within voliunteer bbaren: sing up for languages they know and willing to review or topics. People can get pulled randomly form that om: project or service that people woule use? Idea is to get others up and running. having anpother set o feues helps. cdoal: picked up doorpi. Checked a raspi three weeks ago. Worked yesterdday to get code ported. it's all installed, right next to kid-ic. Over to megaman. all wired up with aelectronics to sdoor sensor. Porting nasty perl to pythong. Probably looking for code review coments. Working wiht justin for interface with defcon sign. Live right now, sipb.mit.eud/defcon can see it's on the network. More updates soon. ach: eysterdayu, SQL, I started to work on remctl pony. Currentyl possible to dayour own risk, sign up and delete sql account from primary-key. Please don't actually do this. It's here for testing. remctl pony. gla: alex accidentally deleted his account while testing baren: what gets deleted al: when I did, only metadata. Now, everyting will go away lfar: if you die in SQL, you die in real life. ach: Ovther cool things. Spews json back at you. Intended to be driven py python scripts living in SQL lcoker. power user version. ach due to a series of bad decision, f19 alpha server exists. bbaren: fedora 19 alpha server, or fedora19a server? ach: server that runs fedora 19a. Why do they have to call it an alpha? lfar: scripts team organized mailing lists. scriupts-team is scripts-team-members, NOew lists is union of scripts-team and scripts-teamlisteninters. Doesn' treally chang eanything. flyuufyy, nathan arce, username codetaku, senior, 6-3, switched form 6-2 because ee headers hard. currently taing 6.046. I like manga and video games. ach: this is ammbership election. Ask questions of prospective member. Can ask ay question, silly or serious. Please participate, don't just wnat full mmebers. glas; how'd you get involved in SIPB in the first pace. code: I thin kthe first hting I really did that was like..I was intersted from first time I heard about it, but the first hting I actually did was a hackathon that geofft ram. Debathea. With way too much help I got one printing bug for one particular app. I didn't really glas: dont' feel bad, print horrible code: didn't do much ti; last semester, I didn't have a sical group and sipb was coo. i started coming to meeting s kept coing ggaren: at what poiunt did you realize dominat social group hod probably split off into barnowl because even if hadn't heard, it' the one I'm most familar with, and then I could show them zephyr and get them addicted forever om: not dormbase? ach: dragon magically turns into charizard. Tail catches carpet on first. code: mit policy is not not fight fires. price: do you know wher nearst ex is? Nearset first aid kid? Are theree no-expred suppolices bbaren: in one of the wro codeL couldnty pick out which ach: not fighint ght fire, what would you save.and wha't in it acodel save in case of fire box. Frisbee. One time pads, which I believe wer Frisbee. One time pads, which I believe were compromised. ach: No, they weren't. We looked at the packed and realized what they were. dove: You should pyut them on flash paper. code; The only reason I'd save it is because it's the save in case of fire box. I don't know why the one time pads need to be saved for jbL tradition not kep up with, but issued onetim epads to members leaving boston area. Maintain communication in catasytrophicafailure mathematitics broke all crypto glas: scipts still jb: not disclosed methods to generate jb> non-theoretical definitnion of theoretically. dwil: what non-pokemon object is not curetnyl hanging from ceiling that hsould be? code: The only answer I can come up with is pokemon. Probably find somehting mega-man related. MI thin kit would be interesting ot make a mincraft style pixelated 3d model of megaman. tbon: If you were to change on sig feature of office, what and hwy code: this is something that I can implement, or? glas: magic wand. One change. Can't wish for more changes bbaren: cna't wish for more wands code: All of the chairs replaced with aerons. cdo: MIT ishas decided htat they're going to make a course 6 gir. Going to start next fall. Lead designer. What language, what would you teach, why. dove: what's a gir code: general instutute requirement. Every sutdent has to take it dwil: every undergrad bbaren: love to see all course 6 grad sutden fruesds strugge through 7.013 code: as much as I rpefer C/C__, would be in pythoin and model after 6.00 . More than htat can't be expteced of most of MIT that has no interest. Peopl I've heard taking 6.00 are having a good time this term. tb: would you include basic athena usage? code; that should be a general requirment for soemthing, but not sure if it ouwld fix bbarenm: why would MIT teach you to use tol sprived eoyu? dove: pick on object currently in room to make a good beel no 4 code: Woudl it have ot make acutal riung? glas: would hav eto make noise if struct price [ dings] achL to =unspire, strike bell no q? bbaren: you just want to strike bell no 1. [achernya does] code: probably the licence plates. glas: Forgot. In leiu, if you had the choice, gavel in nyan or dragon code: probably the dragon ach: wher was the gavel veore cdoe: dunno ach: in the write-enable rings. bba: you've been hanging around here long enough got sick and gave key. Didn't get scared away or disciouraged. What single thing did anothe rmember or prosectie do that has caused you to believe sipb is a cool place to continue hanging out. What makde you most excited about SIPB? code: By the time I starte dhanging aroudn frequently, I was alredy pretty convinced that I wanted to hang out in SIUPB preqiuefly and I am empiraclly very dificult to offend. Whatever might ahve scared others away can't scare me. Before that, probably geofft and his constant recruiting effort and general supportiveness made SIPB a beter plae overall. lapen: alone in theo ffice one night. All computers osme kind of corruption what oyiu would do? code; set defcon level 4. Probably send emial to sipb@ because I don't know what do and make it worse bbaren: all cluster machines too? om: grab save in case of fire box code: does my phone still work bbaren: yes code: send to siup at and hcnage defon to 43 glas: make ytou think it would work? code: ckuster meachines not conected. [computer says. loom aat you hacer a pathetic creature of meat and bone.] code: what was that? ach: CSW. glas: whatever that was, please no apple events over network dove: reasonalb efor defonc 1 code: computing amergency, not MIT? price: yeah, it' the athena defonc. code; I honestly don't htink I have enough tech knowledge to mke that call on my own. Don't know when it would be so bad that everyhting borked forever. dwil: ftr, we've hit defcon 2 once since i've been here, campus power outage achL diud breifly hit 1 during the ddos, thengou souted at to 2 phurst: would factoring in olynomial time count as defonc 1 achL deosn't break kerberos. kerberos is symmetric. So I think htat' sonly a defcon 2. glas: KDC compromised would be defcon1 bbaren: from earlier question, occe bbaren: from earlier question, occeasionally htings break horrible and noy amusingly. When things happen and out of your hads, appropriate to get someone from IS&T involved, what is the correct course of action? How would youge tinbove dfixing somethin beyond your and siupb's abilityes code; probably ask jdreed. If he didn't know what to do, ask him to contact bbaren: nobod y on zephyr, noone around achernya points to hing ode; should I go over there doe: it's jdreed's address. knock really loudly. dwilson: you should read title or filename code; leave detaile dmessage phonenumbe rprited here. bbaren: printout of file in afs whofixeswhat. Detailed contact infromation about who to get in touch with if all of thses services break. FOr example, if zephyr greaks. look it up, ball te number, iut will ring their pager and break them. IS&T ztffs people. We have a ritnt because sometimes AFS goes down, so it's hard to look in AFS. If you become a member, do not feel hesitant to page if there's a genuine problem. Wait 5-10-15 min to see if it doesn't resolve on its own, but don't hesitate to page. dwil: what is immediatly to the lef to fhte printout? code: circut breaker lfar: are you now or have oyu ever been sds price: the question code; like I mentined arelier, this is my main social group now. i really like all o fhte people, no matter how scary they may seem to others. More recntly,. I've been wanting to improve recruitment. The prefrosh that I've seen seem really intrersted and I know that statustically we're not oging to get most of them which seems suprising ocnsdeirg how exicted they are. I thin kit would be better to recrity more effectively as a member. [codetaku membered 16-1-0] ach: congraduations Fluffy, you are now a sipb membr. \Other: bbaren: Apparently <> is still a thing? dwi: If you're interested in being cokecomm, you should talk to me. Not that I said this at a meeting years ago. gals; kenneth apple, mathemetition worte thorem proved foru color died age of 80. other other: lf: as a reminder, propeecivves hot proiectves yet shold become prospectives. cere: 13 academic dyas left room: Ahhh.... 8:35:12 SIPB Projects Report: Office Report: Other: Other Other: The meeting was adjourned at . Minutes taken and submitted by sqshemet.