Date: 3 Jan 91 16:38:00 +1600 From: MCKAY_MICHAEL@atalla.com [tandem.com?] Subject: RE: "Little pitchers have big ears": ATM Risk I am currently the sustaining software engineer for the product mentioned by zowie in his posting (11-25-90), and I wanted to clarify some things. He was disturbed by hearing modem tones during an ATM card activation at a Wells Fargo Bank branch. In fact, recording the 300 BAUD transaction (or tapping the phone line) would not reveal his friend's PIN. The PIN is encrypted by the terminal, using DES and a "Unique Key Per Transaction (UKPT)" algorithm (our newer terminals conform to ANSI 9-24, Wells Fargo still uses some older terminals that predate 9-24 with a psuedo UKPT). Once the transaction is reported to the host, a hardware security box translates the PIN from the terminal's key to some irrreversible internal format. Once the PIN is entered into the terminal, it never appears in the clear (that is to say unencrypted) in any computer. This is much better than the usual situation, where you would either be assigned a PIN, or have to write down your PIN and have somebody enter it for you. If anybody would like more details on the process, feel free to contact me. Michael McKay (MCKAY_MICHAEL @ tandem.com) (408) 435-8850 US MAIL: Atalla, A Tandem Company, 2304 Zanker Road, San Jose, CA 95131