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Subject: Re: Discussion 1.
Reply-To: smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (S. Max Golem)



Hi --

Huayong Yang has some ideas about Albyn Jones' discussion topic:

>
>> >
>> >I was not happy with the resulting position in the upper right.
>> 
>> [MG: Question(s) for the group -- Is this just a variation of a
>> well-known joseki, is there a really punishing rebuttal, or is
>> this just one of those times to lean back and take satisfaction
>> from obtaining a definite, but subtle, advantage (even though the
>> opponent may think he's come out well ahead)?  Would you say that
>> the result is bad for White?  If so, how bad?]
>> 
>> >
>> >    A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T    
>> >   +-------------------------------------+
>> > 19|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|19|
>> > 18|. . . . . . . . . . . . 0 @ 0 . . . .|18|
>> > 17|. . . . . . . . . . . . 0 0 @ 0 0 0 .|17|
>> > 16|. . . 0 . . . . . @ . . . @ @ @ @ 0 .|16|
>> > 15|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . @ .|15|
>> > 14|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . .|14|
>> > 13|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|13|
>> > 12|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|12|
>> > 11|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|11|
>> > 10|. . . + . . . . . + . . . . . + . . .|10|
>> >  9|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . @ . .| 9|
>> >  8|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 8|
>> >  7|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 7|
>> >  6|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 6|
>> >  5|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . . .| 5|
>> >  4|. . . 0 . . . . . 0 . . 0 . . + . . .| 4|
>> >  3|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . . .| 3|
>> >  2|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 2|
>> >  1|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1|
>> >   +-------------------------------------+   
>> >    A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T    
>> >
>> >After playing over this sequence a few times, and trying various
>> >ideas, I have yet to convince myself that I understand what the
>> >proper approach is for white in this sequence.
>> >
>> >albyn
>> 
>> [MG: Have fun!]
>> 
>
>It seems to me that black is a little bit overconcentrated. However, I
>am not sure what white should play next. Should white reduce black's
>moyo immediately (like P11? too deep?) or play a move like C6? Another
>reason that white is not bad is, I think, black K16 is inefficient.
>
>Huayong
>
>