Message-Id: <9306161900.AA12421@thor.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 15:00:28 -0400
From: smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (S. Max Golem)
To: smg6@thor.INS.CWRU.Edu
Subject: Re: Discussion 1.
Reply-To: smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (S. Max Golem)


Hi People --

Blake Noah has sent me an analysis about the current problem that
you'll enjoy:

>
>>> >   +-------------------------------------+
>>> > 19|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|19|
>>> > 18|. . . . . . . . . . . . 6 @ 0 . . . .|18|
>>> > 17|. . . . . . . . . . . . 8 4 @ 0 0 2 .|17|
>>> > 16|. . . 0 . . . . . @ . . . 7 5 @ @ 0 .|16|
>>> > 15|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 0 @ .|15|
>>> > 14|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . .|14|
>>> > 13|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|13|
>>> > 12|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|12|
>>> > 11|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|11|
>>> > 10|. . . + . . . . . + . . . . . + . . .|10|
>>> >  9|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . @ . .| 9|
>>> >  8|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 8|
>>> >  7|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 7|
>>> >  6|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 6|
>>> >  5|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 5|
>>> >  4|. . . 0 . . . . . 0 . . 0 . . + . . .| 4|
>>> >  3|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . @ . . .| 3|
>>> >  2|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 2|
>>> >  1|. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .| 1|
>>> >   +-------------------------------------+   
>>> >    A B C D E F G H J K L M N O P Q R S T    
>>> > >IMHO :
>
>First of all, I'm surprised that B hasn't noticed that W has been
>slipping stones on the board while no-one was looking... The dirty
>rat ... Normally it's B that gets the handicap stones ;-).
>
>
>Next, Perhaps W shouldn't be jumping into the B corner so early when much of
>the fuseki emphasizes influence and moyo (although I suppose the R11 move
>doesn't emphasis the center so much). I suspect that the big move on the
>left would be more a usual move. Certainly the corner isn't urgent here,
>I also wonder if Wp11 would be appropriate first as an asking/reducing move 
>before one considers taking the corner plunge ?
>
>Next, Gee ... I would say that B shouldn't play the double-hane with
>O18 in this position, O17 feels much more appropriate given the
>existence of B K16. What do you think ? I feel like B gave W more than
>required in the exchange.
>
>I also feel that B is overconcentrated on the upper right and that
>BP9 has helped to make it so. Maybe something like BQ6 would be more
>appropriate. Of course, everything feels too slow for B to me now.
>
>
>On the current board, it seems like W has the fighting reduction at M15,
>Q5 and the big point on the left to choose from. I suspect that W should
>take the big point at D10. It's hard not to play on the right, because
>it feels like there are a couple of very large plays begging to be done.
>But D10 gets W's stones working together... after D10, K10 is seems quite
>nice for W and not as nice for B because of M15. The one unfortunate bit
>is that B probably plays P5/Q5 or such and this seems valuable for both.
>I'm not sure enough that W will come out of WQ5(P5) with sente so as to
>play D10 (So maybe simple plays for simple minds). Frankly, I kind of bounce
>back and forth between Wd10 and Wq5. It seems like Q5 has the possibility
>of erasing the B right, attack q3 and maybe set up attacks on the upper
>right and maybe also strengthen the white bottom.
>
>I guess the bottom line is that after D10 W has influence on the right
>like B's left (if rather less thick) but also has two strong positions
>on the side with better prospects for development. White has solid territory
>to partially offset B's right side thickness and multiple chances to 
>reduce whites right (But then I guess that extra stones on the board would
>improve a lot of my positions dramatically too ;-)
>
>
>
>take care,
>blake (AGA 3k, presently playing all over the kyu range .. 2k-5k)