Message-Id: <9306201636.AA24370@thor.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 93 12:36:34 -0400
From: smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (S. Max Golem)
To: smg6@thor.INS.CWRU.Edu
Subject: Re: a few comments
Reply-To: smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (S. Max Golem)


Hi --

John Tromp has some ideas about the Carlos.1 game:


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GaMe[1]
AddBlack[dp][dd][pd]
PLayer[B]
EVent[A game played on the Internet Go Server]
USer[Brought to you by the IGS program]
PlayerBlack[chpr]
BlackRank[13k ]
PlayerWhite[carlos]
WhiteRank[10k*]
DaTe[1993-05-31]
SiZe[19]
GameComment[( Copyright 1993 Tim L. Casey
Permission to reproduce this game is given, provided proper credit is given.
No warrantee, implied or explicit, is understood.
Use of this game is an understanding of the Copyright.]
GameName[(IGS) carlos(W) vs chpr]
PlaCe[IGS:  128.32.201.46 6969]
REsult[B+16.5]
KoMi[0.500000]
HAndicap[3]
BlackLeft[5400]
WhiteLeft[5400]
;
White[pp]
WhiteLeft[5384]
;
Black[np]
BlackLeft[5304]
;
White[pn]
WhiteLeft[5369]
;
Black[nn]
BlackLeft[5299]
;
White[ol]
WhiteLeft[5336]
Comment[i would prefer simply q8 leaving no aji for black
]
;
Black[jo]
BlackLeft[5293]
Comment[strange move. better to extend from corner, like around g3
or strengthen wall by attaching at q3. now f4 looks inviting
]
;
White[qf]
WhiteLeft[5292]
Comment[
]
;
Black[nd]
BlackLeft[5287]
;
White[of]
WhiteLeft[5222]
Comment[leaves (too big?) a hole in moyo that black can jump into later]
;
Black[fn]
BlackLeft[5281]
Comment[this stone lacks a good relationship with nearby stones
a move at d10 makes a lot more sense
]
;
White[cf]
WhiteLeft[5194]
Comment[this screams for a pincer like d10]
;
Black[fe]
BlackLeft[5273]
Comment[again bad relationship to d16 and c14 f16 already much better]
;
White[dj]
WhiteLeft[5179]
Comment[the big point]
;
Black[dl]
BlackLeft[5268]
;
White[ic]
WhiteLeft[5156]
;
Black[gc]
BlackLeft[5255]
Comment[i would play black l17 to avoid embarresment of white m17
white f17 can then be answered at e17
]
;
White[lc]
WhiteLeft[5138]
;
Black[me]
BlackLeft[5249]
;
White[le]
WhiteLeft[5118]
Comment[suspicious; would prefer extending base first with o18]
;
Black[mf]
BlackLeft[5243]
Comment[yuck! should at least exchange m14 for l15 first]
;
White[nb]
WhiteLeft[5107]
Comment[good]
;
Black[qc]
BlackLeft[5233]
Comment[too small and too passive; better use sente to attack on left]
;
White[oc]
WhiteLeft[5091]
;
Black[od]
BlackLeft[5229]
;
White[pi]
WhiteLeft[5024]
;
Black[pg]
BlackLeft[5204]
Comment[yuck! should work on left side. anyway this is not the place to invade
]
;
White[qg]
WhiteLeft[4980]
Comment[should be at q14]
;
Black[pf]
BlackLeft[5198]
;
White[ph]
WhiteLeft[4974]
;
Black[og]
BlackLeft[5193]
;
White[cq]
WhiteLeft[4924]
Comment[d3 preferable or maybe something like e2]
;
Black[dq]
BlackLeft[5187]
;
White[cp]
WhiteLeft[4920]
;
Black[co]
BlackLeft[5185]
;
White[bo]
WhiteLeft[4916]
;
Black[cn]
BlackLeft[5152]
;
White[bn]
WhiteLeft[4898]
;
Black[bm]
BlackLeft[5149]
;
White[dr]
WhiteLeft[4825]
;
Black[bp]
BlackLeft[5139]
Comment[terrible; only strenghtnes white]
;
White[bq]
WhiteLeft[4816]
;
Black[er]
BlackLeft[5127]
;
White[cr]
WhiteLeft[4808]
;
Black[fr]
BlackLeft[5114]
Comment[f3 better]
;
White[cm]
WhiteLeft[4777]
Comment[bad; allows black to build wall and weaken 2 white stones above]
;
Black[dm]
BlackLeft[5073]
;
White[cl]
WhiteLeft[4769]
;
Black[ck]
BlackLeft[5066]
;
White[bl]
WhiteLeft[4765]
;
Black[bk]
BlackLeft[5060]
;
White[am]
WhiteLeft[4759]
;
Black[dk]
BlackLeft[5057]
;
White[bd]
WhiteLeft[4746]
;
Black[cc]
BlackLeft[5054]
;
White[bc]
WhiteLeft[4742]
;
Black[bb]
BlackLeft[5049]
;
White[jm]
WhiteLeft[4568]
Comment[should try to settle c14 group first; now black can kill them]
;
Black[ch]
BlackLeft[5036]
;
White[dh]
WhiteLeft[4544]
;
Black[cg]
BlackLeft[5030]
;
White[dg]
WhiteLeft[4526]
;
Black[cj]
BlackLeft[5008]
Comment[should cut at d14 ]
;
White[ci]
WhiteLeft[4515]
;
Black[bi]
BlackLeft[5003]
;
White[de]
WhiteLeft[4470]
Comment[too late
]
;
Black[di]
BlackLeft[4993]
;
White[cd]
WhiteLeft[4459]
;
Black[dc]
BlackLeft[4969]
;
White[ej]
WhiteLeft[4433]
Comment[suicidal move; white should not try to save every single stone
d10 has no function and c14 still needs to be settled]
;
Black[ei]
BlackLeft[4964]
;
White[fj]
WhiteLeft[4425]
Comment[white leaves c14 group to be killed]
;
Black[fi]
BlackLeft[4958]
Comment[black going after wrong target]
;
White[hj]
WhiteLeft[4375]
;
Black[hi]
BlackLeft[4954]
;
White[fg]
WhiteLeft[4333]
;
Black[lf]
BlackLeft[4939]
Comment[should at least try g13]
;
White[ke]
WhiteLeft[4313]
;
Black[kf]
BlackLeft[4929]
;
White[jf]
WhiteLeft[4302]
;
Black[ie]
BlackLeft[4922]
;
White[if]
WhiteLeft[4281]
;
Black[jd]
BlackLeft[4915]
;
White[je]
WhiteLeft[4238]
;
Black[id]
BlackLeft[4908]
;
White[jc]
WhiteLeft[4225]
;
Black[kd]
BlackLeft[4903]
;
White[ld]
WhiteLeft[4212]
;
Black[kc]
BlackLeft[4900]
;
White[kb]
WhiteLeft[4211]
;
Black[hc]
BlackLeft[4884]
Comment[total failure by black; instead of killing c14, allows it to be linked to
m16 group]
;
White[ge]
WhiteLeft[4184]
;
Black[gd]
BlackLeft[4864]
;
White[hf]
WhiteLeft[4169]
;
Black[hd]
BlackLeft[4848]
;
White[ff]
WhiteLeft[4148]
;
Black[ee]
BlackLeft[4836]
;
White[ef]
WhiteLeft[4134]
;
Black[gj]
BlackLeft[4822]
;
White[gk]
WhiteLeft[4128]
;
Black[gi]
BlackLeft[4817]
;
White[fl]
WhiteLeft[4124]
Comment[white should not hang on to stones that are not worth saving]
;
Black[hk]
BlackLeft[4800]
Comment[helps white; should h8 and j8 to combine attack on white with territorial
profit]
;
White[hl]
WhiteLeft[4118]
;
Black[ij]
BlackLeft[4789]
;
White[hn]
WhiteLeft[4094]
;
Black[ho]
BlackLeft[4774]
;
White[fo]
WhiteLeft[4055]
;
Black[eo]
BlackLeft[4763]
;
White[fp]
WhiteLeft[3991]
Comment[overplay; black can simply g6]
;
Black[ep]
BlackLeft[4753]
;
White[gn]
WhiteLeft[3970]
;
Black[fm]
BlackLeft[4694]
;
White[gm]
WhiteLeft[3918]
Comment[now black can capture e10 with f9 whenever he likes]
;
Black[go]
BlackLeft[4682]
;
White[gq]
WhiteLeft[3773]
;
Black[hq]
BlackLeft[4602]
Comment[j5 should leave white dead and strengthen black]
;
White[io]
WhiteLeft[3652]
;
Black[ip]
BlackLeft[4581]
;
White[in]
WhiteLeft[3640]
;
Black[hp]
BlackLeft[4573]
;
White[jp]
WhiteLeft[3545]
;
Black[jq]
BlackLeft[4526]
;
White[kp]
WhiteLeft[3529]
;
Black[kq]
BlackLeft[4523]
;
White[lp]
WhiteLeft[3514]
;
Black[lq]
BlackLeft[4520]
;
White[mo]
WhiteLeft[3390]
;
Black[mp]
BlackLeft[4509]
;
White[lo]
WhiteLeft[3375]
;
Black[no]
BlackLeft[4502]
;
White[oq]
WhiteLeft[3363]
Comment[black lost; rest of the game could have have omitted]
;
Black[nq]
BlackLeft[4496]
;
White[or]
WhiteLeft[3360]
;
Black[nr]
BlackLeft[4492]
;
White[nm]
WhiteLeft[3321]
;
Black[mn]
BlackLeft[4486]
;
White[kn]
WhiteLeft[3278]
;
Black[ln]
BlackLeft[4479]
;
White[ko]
WhiteLeft[3271]
;
Black[ll]
BlackLeft[4476]
;
White[ml]
WhiteLeft[3252]
;
Black[km]
BlackLeft[4471]
;
White[jn]
WhiteLeft[3246]
;
Black[il]
BlackLeft[4465]
;
White[im]
WhiteLeft[3239]
;
Black[jl]
BlackLeft[4460]
;
White[mm]
WhiteLeft[3228]
;
Black[fk]
BlackLeft[4443]
;
White[ek]
WhiteLeft[3220]
;
Black[el]
BlackLeft[4439]
;
White[ng]
WhiteLeft[3171]
;
Black[oh]
BlackLeft[4394]
;
White[oi]
WhiteLeft[3146]
;
Black[nh]
BlackLeft[4389]
;
White[mg]
WhiteLeft[3138]
;
Black[kh]
BlackLeft[4381]
;
White[ni]
WhiteLeft[3108]
;
Black[mh]
BlackLeft[4377]
;
White[lk]
WhiteLeft[3002]
;
Black[kl]
BlackLeft[4357]
;
White[jh]
WhiteLeft[2975]
;
Black[mi]
BlackLeft[4337]
;
White[mj]
WhiteLeft[2940]
;
Black[ki]
BlackLeft[4320]
;
White[ns]
WhiteLeft[2866]
;
Black[ms]
BlackLeft[4311]
;
White[os]
WhiteLeft[2861]
;
Black[lr]
BlackLeft[4302]
;
White[cb]
WhiteLeft[2845]
;
Black[db]
BlackLeft[4291]
;
White[ab]
WhiteLeft[2837]
;
Black[ca]
BlackLeft[4288]
;
White[qd]
WhiteLeft[2811]
;
Black[qe]
BlackLeft[4278]
;
White[rd]
WhiteLeft[2797]
;
Black[re]
BlackLeft[4275]
;
White[rf]
WhiteLeft[2786]
;
Black[rc]
BlackLeft[4268]
;
White[pc]
WhiteLeft[2747]
;
Black[nc]
BlackLeft[4263]
;
White[mc]
WhiteLeft[2720]
;
Black[ob]
BlackLeft[4256]
;
White[pb]
WhiteLeft[2690]
;
Black[mb]
BlackLeft[4252]
;
White[oa]
WhiteLeft[2684]
;
Black[lb]
BlackLeft[4245]
;
White[jb]
WhiteLeft[2670]
;
Black[gg]
BlackLeft[4225]
;
White[gf]
WhiteLeft[2641]
;
Black[rk]
BlackLeft[4165]
Comment[
 carlos 10k*: i was wondering when this would happen :-)
]
;
White[rm]
WhiteLeft[2579]
;
Black[qh]
BlackLeft[4159]
;
White[rh]
WhiteLeft[2526]
;
Black[qi]
BlackLeft[4153]
;
White[qj]
WhiteLeft[2524]
;
Black[qm]
BlackLeft[4120]
;
White[qn]
WhiteLeft[2512]
;
Black[pm]
BlackLeft[4113]
;
White[on]
WhiteLeft[2495]
;
Black[om]
BlackLeft[4110]
;
White[ql]
WhiteLeft[2487]
;
Black[ji]
BlackLeft[4096]
;
White[gh]
WhiteLeft[2467]
;
Black[jg]
BlackLeft[4077]
;
White[ih]
WhiteLeft[2399]
;
Black[kk]
BlackLeft[4062]
;
White[kj]
WhiteLeft[2381]
;
Black[jj]
BlackLeft[4055]
;
White[ig]
WhiteLeft[2371]
;
Black[kg]
BlackLeft[4050]
;
White[ga]
WhiteLeft[2339]
;
Black[gb]
BlackLeft[4041]
;
White[ha]
WhiteLeft[2333]
;
Black[hb]
BlackLeft[4029]
;
White[ia]
WhiteLeft[2323]
;
Black[ib]
BlackLeft[4026]
;
White[fa]
WhiteLeft[2295]
;
Black[fb]
BlackLeft[3981]
;
White[eb]
WhiteLeft[2226]
;
Black[ka]
BlackLeft[3962]
;
White[qb]
WhiteLeft[2148]
;
Black[rb]
BlackLeft[3953]
;
White[qa]
WhiteLeft[2138]
;
Black[ra]
BlackLeft[3942]
;
White[se]
WhiteLeft[1999]
;
Black[sd]
BlackLeft[3931]
;
White[sf]
WhiteLeft[1993]
;
Black[lj]
BlackLeft[3920]
;
White[mk]
WhiteLeft[1987]
;
Black[hh]
BlackLeft[3914]
;
White[hg]
WhiteLeft[1982]
;
Black[fh]
BlackLeft[3904]
;
White[bg]
WhiteLeft[1973]
;
Black[bh]
BlackLeft[3895]
;
White[bf]
WhiteLeft[1965]
;
Black[eh]
BlackLeft[3882]
;
White[eg]
WhiteLeft[1948]
;
Black[be]
BlackLeft[3869]
;
White[ae]
WhiteLeft[1937]
;
Black[ac]
BlackLeft[3838]
;
White[ag]
WhiteLeft[1908]
;
Black[aa]
BlackLeft[3825]
;
White[ad]
WhiteLeft[1902]
;
Black[ab]
BlackLeft[3812]
;
White[ma]
WhiteLeft[1852]
;
Black[ja]
BlackLeft[3802]
;
White[op]
WhiteLeft[1773]
;
Black[ds]
BlackLeft[3787]
;
White[cs]
WhiteLeft[1767]
;
Black[es]
BlackLeft[3784]
;
White[ah]
WhiteLeft[1760]
;
Black[ai]
BlackLeft[3776]
;
White[ak]
WhiteLeft[1745]
;
Black[aj]
BlackLeft[3769]
;
White[al]
WhiteLeft[1742]
;
Black[la]
BlackLeft[3749]
;
White[na]
WhiteLeft[1739]
;
Black[gg]
BlackLeft[3740]
KO[gh]
;
White[gl]
WhiteLeft[1715]
;
Black[fk]
BlackLeft[3730]
;
White[gh]
WhiteLeft[1708]
KO[gg]
;
Black[ro]
BlackLeft[3693]
;
White[rq]
WhiteLeft[1674]
;
Black[gg]
BlackLeft[3675]
KO[gh]
;
White[df]
WhiteLeft[1652]
;
Black[gh]
BlackLeft[3662]
;
White[md]
WhiteLeft[1641]
;
Black[lm]
BlackLeft[3636]
;
White[he]
WhiteLeft[1614]
;
Black[ii]
BlackLeft[3590]
;
White[oo]
WhiteLeft[1592]
;
Black[tt]
BlackLeft[3574]
;
White[tt]
WhiteLeft[1586]
;
Black[tt]
BlackLeft[3574]
;
PLayer[B]
)

regards,
-John (4kyu)