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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:50:49 -0700
To: "Greg Lindahl" <lindahl@pbm.com>
From: "Fred (Flieg) Hollander" <flieg@socrates.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Re: minstrel: Nature of Bardic Competitions
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At 01:11 PM 10/6/98 -0400, Greg Lindahl wrote:
>>    This is not the competitor teaching you _or_ you teaching the 
>> competitor. This is just a requirement for extreme documentation.
>
>Extreme Documentation? Is that like an Extreme sport, or Extreme
>Linux? If you don't want to document, then don't. But don't call it
>names, either.

   I ain't calling it no names. I'm objecting to the requirement for
something which many people feel is a necessary part of the SCA, entering
competitions. It may be a Society for Compulsive Authenticity for some
and I salute them, but it is _not_ the Soc. for Compulsory Authenticity,
at least not while I'm around to fight that mindset. (Not that I am
accusing you or Arlys of that mindset, but it _is_ out there, and 
extreme requirements for docco help reinforce it.)

>
>>   This is also (imho) entirely too picky for words and an excellent
>> reason to go off in the corner away from the competition
>> and sing filk (just for the contrast).
>
>Oh, do you mean in-period-style words filked to an authentic song?
>What a great idea. Performing can always be done; competitions are few
>and can always be ignored.

   Naw, I mean SCA-relevant words to a modern tune.  I differentiate
what you have specified as "contra-fait", the period term for new words
to an existing tune.

>
>>   I'm here to participate, to be the hero (of various stripes) in my
>> own story, and incidentally to learn, so as to do the others better.
>> I'm not here (nor are most people that I know) to go to school and do
>> homework assignments, expecially picky ones.
>
>No one said you should. On the other hand, you seem to be saying rude
>things about people who do want to do these things. And you still have
>a rather amazing quality of judge in mind for a competition. Well,
>that would be one way to end them; no judges available...

    I repeat, I ain't saying rude things about people. I may be a rude
rustic, but I ain't impolite.  What I object to is competitions which
are so picky that you _can't_ find qualified judges for them.

>
>> And if I'm
>> singing a period drinking song, neither I nor my audience _need_ 
>> to know anything but that it is a drinking song.
>
>If you are singing it in a competition that requires documentation,
>you do need more than that. If you avoid entering such competitions,
>then you're right. On the other hand, I might ask you about it later.

     No I don't. I can enter without docco and take my lumps like a man.
Just remember, "a man's a man even if he hath but a hose for his head".
As for asking me about it later -- sure!  No problem!  I'll even tell
you about the little project I have in mind for back-translating it into
German....

   *   *   *    Frederick of Holland, MSCA, OP, etc.
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  (((Flieg Hollander, Chemistry Dept., U.C. Berkeley)))
 ====================== Old Used Duke  =====================
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