Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:40:39 EST
From: justin@dsd.camb.inmet.com (Mark Waks)
Message-Id: <9401201940.AA26862@dsd.camb.inmet.com>
To: groff@epee.enet.dec.com
Cc: carolingia@world.std.com
In-Reply-To: <9401200033.AA21964@us2rmc.bb.dec.com> (message from touche!  19-Jan-1994 1915 on Wed, 19 Jan 94 19:33:58 EST)
Subject: Re: Principality

I think that Dana and I have aired most of our usual arguments, and it's
time to let the dust settle a little. Just one or two specific points:

>The Prince/Princess do not run the AgC/Maunche/OTC/OGR pollings.  That
>is a problem.  They would have to create their own orders
>which... adds problems.

Note that there's nothing saying the Prince/ss *couldn't* help run the
Kingdom Orders. I believe there's nothing in law preventing, say, the
Prince/ss from holding Principality meetings of the Kingdom orders,
and passing the recommendations on to the Crown -- some Kingdoms do
analogous things. The Royals have to approve the actual awards, but
the Prince/ss could do most of the actual legwork, in conjuction with
the local members of the orders. There's plenty of precedent elsewhere
for having the Royals mostly rubber-stamp suggestions from the Princes
or Barons...

There are some notable advantages to this scheme, and I've long
regretted that AEthelmearc didn't try it. It wouldn't be trivial to
set up, but with a little caution and sensitivity on the part of the
various Royals involved, I think it could work *quite* well...

>> [feelings up in the Far North]
>Interesting, the ones I spoke with did not seem to have such strong
>convictions.  They either thought it a problem to have one or, if they do have
>one, many thought they should include the Central Region.  Most agreed to the
>proto-kingdom idea.

Odd; very different from what I've seen. The two times I was up there,
I was several times approached by various people who basically said,
"Don't take this wrong, we think you're great people, but we *really*
don't want you in the Principality". Of course, I didn't try to argue
them out of that position...

>My limited experience with Curia also demonstrated some differences in
>how we handle lists and list officers in the "northern" groups verses
>the south.

At the moment, I think that this field is in so much flux that it's
hard to draw any conclusions -- the Company of St. Michael on the one
hand, and the rise of bearpits on the other, (as well as the growth of
various forms of handling fencing), are gradually altering how lists
work all over the Kingdom...

				-- Justin
				   Who concurs that we're going to agree to
				     disagree (as usual), and thinks we've
				     gotten most of the important issues out...

Random Quote du Jour:

Re: A Politically Correct Bestiary
"A mummy is `linen enhanced' or `a person of fabric.'"
		-- "Ken Lipka"