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Subject: re: minstrel: Bards -  longish and heading out of SCA purview
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Tangwystyl wrote:
>The major similarity that I see to the ap Huw material is in the "short
>theme and variations" style. (A style that was not confined to Welsh harp
>music in that period, of course.) The chording is significantly different.
>As far as I can tell, all the ap Huw pieces alternate between two chords
>only, whereas 'Cynghansail Cymry' uses five different chords in a
>progression extremely reminiscent of (if not identical to) Pachelbel's
>Canon. I don't doubt that the "theme and variations" style was a
>legitimate continuing tradition -- particularly since it would have been
>reinforced by influences from mainstream chamber music -- but I'm not sure
>you can say more than that.

Actually, I wasn't thinking of the chord progression, but rather of the 
fact that there were *24* variations - the wonderful Welsh magic number, at 
least related to things bardic (did you know that all the pieces in ap Huw 
can be played using 24 strings?) - and that the type of variations reminded 
me of some of the formulas applied in the Penlyn section of the ap Huw 
manuscript.  If you like, I'll follow up on this via private e-mail - this 
is an open invitation to anyone interested in discussing ap Huw related 
issues.

Best wishes on that Ph.D., Tangwystyl!

Vivien
Patricia Vivien Yarrow
yarrowp@mscd.edu


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